Do YOU believe in evolution?

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Do you believe in evolution?

Poll closed Nov 28, 2007.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

    36 vote(s)
    24.5%
  1. proteindude

    proteindude Well-Known Member

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    #261
    How can God be so cruel??? Imagine: He will destroy everyone else except the less than 0.001% of His creation which happens to be the Jehovah's Witnesses. :( What a cruel God. I sure wouldn't want to serve Him.
     
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    proteindude Well-Known Member

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    #262
    NO. Let me quote an evolutionist for you:

    "When it comes to the origin of life there are only two possibilities: creation or spontaneous generation. There is no third way. Spontaneous generation was disproved one hundred years ago, but that leads us to only one other conclusion, that of supernatural creation. We cannot accept that on philosophical grounds; therefore, we choose to believe the impossible: that life arose spontaneously by chance!"

    George Wald, "The Origin of Life," Scientific American, 191:48, May 1954.

    I guess you can say this is my "defence." Next to my common sense of course.
     
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  3. Roman

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    #263
    Sure, but let's quote all he said:

    George Wald (1906 - 1997) Professor of Biology at Harvard University Nobel Laureate Web Amazon GP AV

    The reasonable view was to believe in spontaneous generation; the only alternative, to believe in a single, primary act of supernatural creation. There is no third position. For this reason many scientists a century ago chose to regard the belief in spontaneous generation as a "philosophical necessity." It is a symptom of the philosophical poverty of our time that this necessity is no longer appreciated. Most modern biologists, having reviewed with satisfaction the downfall of the spontaneous generation hypothesis, yet unwilling to accept the alternative belief in special creation, are left with nothing. "The origin of life" Scientific American August 1954 p.46

    One has only to contemplate the magnitude of this task to concede that the spontaneous generation of a living organism is impossible. Yet here we are as a result, I believe, of spontaneous generation. "The origin of life" Scientific American August 1954 p.46

    The important point is that since the origin of life belongs in the category of at least once phenomena, time is on its side. However improbable we regard this event, or any of the steps which it involves, given enough time it will almost certainly happen at-least-once. And for life as we know it, with its capacity for growth and reproduction, once may be enough.

    Time is in fact the hero of the plot. The time with which we have to deal is of the order of two billion years. What we regard as impossible on the basis of human experience is meaningless here. Given so much time, the "impossible" becomes possible, the possible probable, and the probable virtually certain. One has only to wait: time itself performs the miracles. "The origin of life" Scientific American August 1954 p.48

    Wherever life is possible, given time, it should arise. It should then ramify into a wide array of forms, differing in detail from those we now observe (as did earlier organisms on the earth) yet including many which should look familiar to us -- perhaps even men.

    We are not alone in the universe, and do not bear alone the whole burden of life and what comes of it. Life is a cosmic event -- so far as we know the most complex state of organization that matter has achieve in our cosmos. It has come many times, in many places -- places closed off from us by impenetrable distances, probably never to be crossed even with a signal. "The origin of life" Scientific American August 1954 p.53
     
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    #264
    Who says it is only Jehovah's Witnesses? Where do you get that from? All I did was quote from Wiki what IT says about Gehenna. Please don't jump to conclusions about what God is going to do.
     
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  5. proteindude

    proteindude Well-Known Member

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    #265
    Sure the guy had many views. I can quote what to me is his main one: "When it comes to the origin of life there are only two possibilities: creation or spontaneous generation. There is no third way. Spontaneous generation was disproved one hundred years ago, but that leads us to only one other conclusion, that of supernatural creation. We cannot accept that on philosophical grounds; therefore, we choose to believe the impossible: that life arose spontaneously by chance!"

    George Wald, "The Origin of Life," Scientific American, 191:48, May 1954.

    I guess you are looking into his writings to validate your point. Last I heard was a fairy tale something along the lines from a frog to a prince. Or perhaps given enough time anything can happen. same as my closet.:confused:
     
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    pipes Prominent Member

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    #266
    There is a few things that i believe, some of the influences have been through what ive read over the years and partly my own thought, here are some and it makes me question how a god could exist again.

    I believe in infinite outcomes to every situation, that is literally everything so i believe in parallel worlds etc, and i believe in the theory that what makes us see only the number of say a person standing infront of us is observation, observation cancels out all of the others so that i only see the one of, for example my younger sister standing infront of me.

    So in my thoughts that would make infinite gods, allah etc, which wouldn't really tie in with the idea of a one god of all creation.

    A rather crude explanation but its early where i am and i haven't fully woke up yet. :)
     
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    #267
    this is what they do Roman. They misquote people with the intention of misrepresenting what they said, they particularly like doing it to dead people who have no method of refuting their lies. it's dishonest and so typical of them.
     
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    #268
    The really sad thing is, that in a couple of hundred of years, when Scientology is going to evolve into a gigantic scale scam, people are going to have the same arguments as you do.

    "Does <Insert newly created religion/god in the future> have over 500,000 ancient manuscripts that claim his existence, huh ?!"

    "Did <Insert newly created religion/god in the future> touch billions of gazillions of lives in the past 2,000 years, huh ?!"

    If 24k manuscripts and billions of stupid people is enough proof for you - Good for you i guess :D
     
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    #269
    This is the problem with them. They equate amount of belief with truth.
    they think that because something has a lot of people believing it and a lot of paper stating it that evidence is no longer a prerequisite for truth.
     
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    #270
    in 2000 years people will believe in harry poter and voldemort. jk rowling is everyones creator.
     
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    #271
    sounds like the mosquito theory. A mosquito is a living insect flies around and does his thing. Smash him with your hand and squish him, what happens? He's dead. But why? All the elements are there to make it work, the only thing that has really changed is his shape. So why doe he not fly away. every cell is still there?

    Ill tell you why, It not in order, its a mess, it takes a Creater to organize those elements.
     
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    pipes Prominent Member

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    #272
    As other people point out though, who put god there?

    If it takes a Creator to organise those elements, then how would god come to be?
     
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    #273
    You got me, I dont really know, but i believe, he just is. He isn't physical the things on earth are physical. planets, and the sun, is physical. God is God. God was not created. God is unlike anything we know.
     
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    #274
    Se although i always respect anyones wish to worhship anything and state this often, its when questions like my own are asked and there is rarely a decent attempt at an answer.

    Now im not saying that makes me or anyone else questioning you as knowledgeable, but we look for alternative answers and question everything.

    For this god that you believe in, would you say his is for planet earth only? the solar system? our universe? or beyond, im asking is he collecting payments of prayer throughout all of existence? beyond life as we know it?
     
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    #275
    He is creater of everything, if life exsit elswhere he created it.
     
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    #276
    I don't see any followers of scientology claiming they are god or performing any miracles in front of witnesses. Once again, you guys manage to compare something totally incomparable. Use your common sense.
     
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    #277
    Ok let's assume they did. let's assume they claimed they were god and claimed that they performed miracles.. would that then make thier cult as valid as yours?
     
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    #278
    I can appreciate what your saying but it feels so hollow, i could state many things now, but they wouldn't carry any weight on their own, their just statements.

    I believe that life exists elsewhere, otherwise space is quite a waste of space. ;) if you know what i mean.

    Would you say that your god is on a higher vibrational level?
     
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    #279
    If it were around for thousands of years, and had followers, and witnesses, i would at least consider it to be valid.
     
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    #280
    I would say he was on the highest, i would say he can not be explained, i would say honestly i dont know, Our faith requires faith. The faith comes from the fruit of walking with God. Feeling his presence, witnessing your prayers answered, My father has had 5 heart attacks, two of theses, the doctors said he wouldn't make it through the night. I knelt by my fathers bed and prayed to God with tears in my eyes each time. My father is still alive. Despite science, despite the doctors prediction. God works for his believers.
     
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