Do you believe in abortion? 35th Year Anniversary Today.

First off, i understood your meaning fine, i was just making a point that your statements can seem a bit absolute also. But its pretty obvious that you are not speaking for all women just as it was obvious that i was not speaking of all rape situations.

And to answer your question ...No. Abortion should be illegal. Why give the baby a death penalty when it did nothing wrong? I dont like adoption either but at least the child lives. It wont t kill a woman to conceive the baby. However, it will kill the baby if its not conceived

 

Simply, and this will have to be the last time for me, because I can only repeat things 5 or 6 times before going insane.

You say you understood my meaning fine. My meaning was this, as I have said: If a woman is raped, and is impregnated, and doesn't want the child, given given your view, should that same women be forced to have the child? You responded with:

Which is logically impossible. For the umpteenth time, it is impossible for someone not wanting to do something to do that something, unless some outside force makes them do it.

You then made a side argument, along the lines of, "well, I'll preach, see...and try to get them to be willing to do it...yeah, that's it; that's what I meant by "not force" a childbirth..."

And you are reversing yourself now. You are saying that whatever the hell the woman wants, screw her. Whatever she wants, no - force her to have the child.

You are lost, Simply, in language, logic, and philosophy, in my opinion.

The only thing I do know, is that your essential belief in the relation of man to woman:

has some pretty dire consequences, such as those on display with your thoughts here, for the gender that birthed and nurtured us all.

 

Your problem is you are trying to make more out of my statements than they realy are. Who cares if you dont understand what i mean, or if i didnt say it so you could comprehend, Plain English North. I dont like abortion. I think its the same as murdering children. That simple. Should a child be murdered so the mother wont suffer emotionally? NO!!

Yes i believe Women should not take authority over men, but thats another topic. And its a religious stance. And if you will read from my previous posts, it in no way means i dont not value women, if that was the case i would have agreed with stox.

 

No, your problem is that you can't think or write clearly, so you will say one thing, then another, and even then only after I have expended considerable energy in spoonfeding you the multiple problems endemic to your words on the page.

My problem is that I asked you a point blank question:

And you said, "no"; that regardless of the "condition of the woman," screw her. And I do have a BIG problem with that kind of oppressive worldview.

 

My statements are in English, i repeat them or add on to them, because you lack the ability to comprehend them. In all honesty i think you know perfectly well what i mean, you just get a big kick out of manipulating a comment that you don't agree with.

Yes i basically say screw the girl(your words not mine), and you basically say screw the innocent child. you tell me whats worse.

By your logic an innocent child should die, because its mother is a bit uncomfortable. Sorry thats murder.

 

Simply, it's a stretch to say your statements are in English, to begin with - pick one, any will do - e.g., "common since" is nonsense, though "commonsense" or "common sense" may be the English word or words you were attempting to write. And I will not repeat again the multiple places where you have stated logically impossible contradictions, were shown so, and then went to say, here as in other threads, "oh, huh huh, duh!," before moving on to another approach. Anyone honestly evaluating this ridiculous exchange can see it for what it is.

And yes, I condemn your philosophy, for the reasons I have stated.

 

Your right. Im an idiot, and your a genius. Does that feel good? You want some more? Northpoint is smart, he knows lots of big words, i wish i was him. hows that?

You may be smarter, you may have a bigger vocabulary, but your still the one supporting the death of innocent children.

For that, i know im a better person than you are.

 

I definitely think we should murder lots of children its too crowded as it is

 

Technically your murdering an unborn fetus that can't live outside the womb, but that doesn't change the fact that it still is a decision that the mother must live with not anyone else. So who are we to decided what someone can and cannot do.

 

And who was that cop for telling me not to go 80mph in a 45 zone

 

Guess what, you have to live and deal with the consquences, not anyone else. We can do that arguement all day back and forth. The fact of the matter is people want it to be law to require you to give birth to a child you don't want. Which under certian conditions should be used, but people want it to be zero tolerance which is not right.

As a comedian on HBO said; They can ban abortion and make it illegal and call the mother murder, but nothing prevents you getting drunk and falling down a flight of stairs. Who will you prosecute... gravity?

The whole point is you can ban abortion, but then you will STILL have people getting abortions with unsafe illegal methods. This comes down to the same concept over illegal drugs, they should be legalized and controlled, instead they make them illegal and fuel the drug trade that hurts millions of people a year.

 

And the real tragedy is that you couldn't be more wrong, Simply. I'd be quite happy to engage in a spirited debate with you, if you were to make your points clearly known, were prepared to defend them clearly and consistently, and were prepared to stand tall when something you've written is grossly, impossibly illogical.

Particularly when what you're talking about is telling a raped woman, to hell with you and what you might feel, then, yep, I will take issue, and be very direct as to why. I am offended when someone such as yourself will make the stands that you do, then fall back to illogical positions, or, worse, be dishonest (well, what I really meant was....); will ascribe what I'm doing to an "attack," will ask for my beliefs - beliefs which I've already and repeatedly stated, quite clearly; and when I point that out, will find another tack to take. This isn't respectable behavior, in my opinion. As to who's a "better" person. I won't presume to make the judgment. I take my lead in that respect from someone who once said:

Though I'm an atheist, knowing this teaching helps me to know my thought - of my life, of all life, as a work in progress. I won't make the call you've made.

I'm sorry if this threatens you or, as you've said in the past, makes you feel as if I'm "ridiculing" you.

 

ideally yes. But if the man isn't wearing a condom it's useless to blame him for "not taking responsibility" afterwards. If responsibility is so important the woman should take responsibility for sleeping with someone who isn't taking precautions because ultimately it is her who is going to become pregnant.

 

"Women should not take authority over men." INSANE, I am going to forget I even read that!! Believe me you don't want me to get all FEMINIST on your ass do ya?
Yikes, you men I tell ya...


Well it looks like this thread turned REALLY nasty REALLY fast.

And to the guy who said this:

Originally Posted by ferret77
I definitely think we should murder lots of children its too crowded as it is

I REALLY HOPE you are kidding....

 

What I dont understand about abortion is this:

How can abortion be legal at the same time (and in the same country) where a person can be charged with murder for causing the death of an unborn child?

That fact just doesnt make sense to me. It is as though the courts on one hand say that an unborn fetus is a human being, but at the same time say that an unborn child is not a living person and so abortion is OK.

I am against abortion except for in the most extreme cases - abortion is killing

AngelaR, when you say something like "Yikes, you men I tell ya" it seems as though you are thinking, or inferring, that all men are the same. That is not the case. All men are not the same just as all women are not the same.

 

Angela, there is no "you men," as evidenced from the fact that there are views that are diametrically opposed to one another. There are individuals, stating opinions. While I agree with the substance of your assessment, it is unjust to say there is a homogenous group in place in this thread.

 

No debate needed, your choosing to stand by protecting the raped woman, and im standing by protecting the innocent child

I have the utmost respect for women, but when it comes to family, Men were appointed by God to lead them. And the man is to love the woman, in the same way God loves his church. Sorry if this offends you it was not i who brought it up, it is a religious belief, that i have tried to keep out of this topic, but you can think Northpoint for bringing it in.

"If a man inst using a condom, its useless to blame him"???? Id say the blame would most definitely be warranted if he had sex, with no condom. the man is just as responsible with sleeping with a woman as she is. its not just up to the female to say no, and be responsible, it is up to both.

You are saying it is the womans responsibility alone. So a man can just do what ever he wants, and not be accountable for anything. I bet you would be one of those dead beat dads that leaves the girl when she gets pregnant.

 

Kindly take another look at your poll.

 

Simply continues to refer to an innocent child, but so far has said nothing about the raped woman's innocence. The only thing I have heard is a confirmation, "to hell with her," or,

This, in addition to placing the onus on women to avoid being raped.

And so, emphatically, I take issue with this kind of mind and the view that flows from it.

Finally, Simply's viewpoint - that a man has some kind of divine authority over a woman - is extremely appropos to this thread, as his view has been made manifest throughout.

 

I think it is every individuals personal decision - however personally no