So you think RP wants to have socialized medicine? If that is the case, then how would it be constitutional?
Oh so only the mighty Gtech is allowed and or able to do it. When it's done to him it's 'dishonest', when he does it though it's something else. Ahh yes because for the most part I am sick of BOTH the anti and pro RP threads. I have been staying out of things, but when I read your posts they were so horrible I had to say something. Personal, if you think that. However every post you make is personal, I am an RP supporter, with the crap you post over and over accusing RP supporters of is very personal to me. I need support? Really Gtech I didn't ask for any support, nor did I care for any, where you get this from is laughable. Center of attention? Yet it is you going around in every thread to post RP sucks, over and over. I stay out of most threads, yet I finally post and I'm the 'center of attention' Wow Gtech you have some seriously flawed logic here. Stating the truth is not a personal attack Gtech, not one bit at all. Gtech we have danced this dance before, I have explained why I do not see them as being racist, you also still have yet to prove they were from him. No the question is Gtech will you ever get out of your rock and actually open your mind. Gtech this has all been hashed out, week after week, yet you continue it. I could do the same against Huck with his tax increases, his anti gay stances, his letting a rapist out to kill and rape, but I don't as I find it childish. You quoted articles that even state they can not prove it was him. Links have already been posted showing why he took responsibility for them, but according to him he did not write them. You simply do not want to see it... You've convinced me long ago BTW... I would not even think of putting you on the same level as me as you're not even close. You are lying, I have stated over and over I do not find them racist, plus they have not been proven to be written by him. Why would I need to discuss the claims of if he's aware of them or not? To me it's a non issue, I have outlined it.. Speaking of Glass Houses, letting a rapist out to kill and rape, raising taxes, anti gay stances, woman submitting to men, do you like living in a glass house? I do not constantly rip on Huckabee, I do not start thread after thread like you do about RP. Hell I even gave Huck credit just yesterday I believe it was, you on the other hand do nothing but tear down a man, using a white power persons word to rip on a war vet. Nope I could care less if anyone says I'm correct here Gtech, I do not give a shit, where you come up with this is pretty lame. I guess when you can't win a debate try, try your best to change the subject Gtech having more than one reason is not 'both ways' Hell I guess stating Saddam was trying to build nukes, plus had Bio Toxins is 'both ways' with your logic. Yet again Gtech, hold onto my hand real tight. As I have stated over and over #1 I do not see the writings from what I read as racist. #2 It has not been proven he wrote them. Even your own articles state as much. Considering you can't even try to hang with me you might want to rethink ripping on my intelligence No I do not, is this your nightly dream? Yet again it was not proven RP wrote it. Plus Huck wants to change the constitution unlike RP for such instances, which is trully more hateful? One being just words, one actually changing the constitution based on ones sexual preference? Gtech I am not pro gay, why you are going that way is beyond me. The point is simple, you rip on RP for something he 'supposedly' wrote that is anti gay, yet it's ok for Huck to do it. I wont rip on Huck, or RP 'if he did write it' you however will choose one to rip on while giving the other a pass. I also do not believe in changing the constitution to discriminate against fellow citizens. Does any of the supposed RP writings call for blacks or jews to be killed? I actually like what you are stating here as it's why I do not consider it 'racist'. However changing or wanting the constitution changed is discrimination. Yet again I am not pro gay, I am not anti Huck for what he said, I am anti you for ripping on a guy for a 'supposed' statement yet giving your guy a pass. Ahh but changing the constitution would be discrimination IMHO and most others. I do believe RP is a conservative, much more so than someone such as Bush who is more big government, spend, spend, spend, anti 2nd amendment, etc, etc. I'll watch it later, what he says now though does not change what he signed.. Not at all Gtech, you have shown yourself to run party lines all the time. Even in this discussion you bring up the republican party lines. I do not agree 100% with all of RP's stances. I also do debate 'my new found buddies' you however do not debate toopac, d16, and others.. No Gtech they have not been posted. Nowhere has there been proof other than what he said, no confirmation, no nothing. I have asked several times, you have been unable to give me any as it does not exist. Articles stating what he says is far from proof, if it is in your mind then it trully is sad that you are taking a White Power types word to trash a war vet without any confirmation. When I see posts I think is BS I call people on it. I have debated many RP supporters. I do not see this 'hatred for americans' israel, jews, or blacks you are talking about. I also do not read every single post 'I guess you do?' I also do not have knowledge on every single subject 'but I guess you do' LOL, Gtech I wonder all the time if you actually believe the crap you post.
Is that your final position, or will more be forthcoming? It's very clear which one you take issue with and which one you do not. Where's Ray Charles when you need him? You'll forgive me if I don't take your word for it Your "truth" is subjective. A personal attack is a personal attack. No, you've not explained it. You've only said over and over that racist comments are fine with you. You've read them. You've already stated you researched them. So I have no choice but to let you convince me they are something mainstream for you. That says a lot about you. Another personal attack. You'd never say anything like that to a terrorist or white supremacist. Perhaps it's my mind that IS open? After all, I'm not trying to suggest racial comments are not racial. It was childish. It was never hashed out. The only thing that was discovered as that RP supporters (at least here) have no problem with the racial comments. The denial, with no substance, was a pure wonder of the world. Um, you've already stated you have no problem and don't see the racist comments as racist. Why take yet another position and defend them? Ron Paul defended them back in 1996. In 2008, he then claimed to not know about them. Imagine if Bush had said something like that Thank you. I take that as a compliment. I would hope no one would ever insult me by doing so. Depends on whether it was true or not. Lots of people make things up that are dishonest and have been proven otherwise. Facts don't matter to them. I beg to differ. For some, receiving positive attention and congratulations is very important to them. Reasons are not positions. A position is solid, reasons define a position. I see multiple positions, not multiple reasons. Some people need both positions because they fear being called on the other. For example, they take two positions, then when called on one, raise the opposing position in the air to defend themselves with. Sound familiar? No need to convince me that you see racist comments as legitimate things to say. "National hate whitey" day is fine with you. "Blacks need a constant white welfare check from America" is fine with you. Blacks are terrorists, is fine with you. I take your word for it, that you believe these things are not racist I hang high and to the left. I wouldn't want to hang with you. That would be an insult. More "winning" eh? Always about the glory. The newsletters with his signature, his letterhead, his personal comments have been exposed. They belong to him, they have his personal comments, is letterhead, his solicitations, and they raise money for him. It is HIS responsibility to prove otherwise. He has not done so. In fact, he has been extremely evasive and as usual, left it up to his supporters to defend him. Guerilla is always talking about proving a negative here. The ball is in his court. But then you've already stated you have no problem with the newsletters. The racist comments are fine for you. Despite the overwhelming evidence, denial is the order of the day (yet again). BTW, I state again...you cannot use a moral equivalence argument here against someone else, without first accepting that the opposing position is also true. I'm not sure you will grasp that, but it's interesting you continue to use this illogical means of making a point. Moral equivalence again. You cannot take this position, unless you believe Ron Paul's comments were true. Ron Paul has certainly made no effort to prove they were not his writings. After all, his press release really backfired on him the next day. Evidence was merely waiting to show he was well aware of them and defended them in 1996. A point that you seem to continue to avoid. What Huckabee said and what RP said are two different things. Huckabee is not pro gay, but not anti-gay either. Like many conservatives and straight people, he finds the behavior unacceptable, but he doesn't seek to discriminate against them either. Can't think of any reason why the Constitution would have to be amended to discriminate against fellow citizens. Either you are opening up a possibility to explore tough terrorism laws, or meant to say you would not be for amending the Constitution to give a certain group of citizens special privileges. I guess we'll see. Is death the criteria for racism? It's ok to say blacks cannot make good political decisions, that 95% are criminals, that they are terrorists? As long as it's not talking about death? Interesting. I have to admit, a lot of this is coming as a surprise (more shock, than anything). Please, do tell. Two different statements. The notion that both said the same thing is simple false. The Constitution doesn't need to be changed. What Huckabee was referring to, was the Constitution. It protects everyone, including the unborn. That was the point. Abortion is murder. Conservatives are against abortion. It is typically a number one/two issue. Ron Paul's position on abortion is not conservative. The Constitution doesn't need to be changed, it simply needs to be enforced to include everyone, including the rights of the unborn not to be willfully murdered. The video isn't about signing anything. It addresses the allegation you made. You are interested in the "truth," right? If so, you would watch it. I have no problem running party lines. I'm not sure why you believe that is something negative. Most of my positions fit well within the party. This is why I don't have to jump ship from voting America's biggest liberal in the last election, to the Republican party (for which most have openly despised) to vote for a whacky libertarian this election. I don't have to sell myself out. I know what I support and certainly don't have to go running to the democrat party to find it I often comment on other's posts as well. Some I see, some I don't. I don't have the luxury that apprently many RP supporters have, of sitting around in P&R 14 hours per day. I've not seen many, if any, exceptions you've taken with RP supporters. It usually starts of with "I don't know the full details, but..." Certainly not the same level of "discourse" you provide those you do not like or agree with. Ron Paul has to prove he didn't write his racial newsletters. They are exposed. His ties to white supremacists are exposed. His personal comments are in those newsletters, addressing his wife Carol, children and grandchildren. His signature is on them. It is his newsletter, his letterhead. The single press release he issued was countered the next day. Any number of Ron Paul supporters (but not any here, apparently) on the forums, have repeatedly called for him to address this issue and come clean. He's been asked by the media to expose who wrote them. So, the ball is in his court to prove he didn't write them. Because right now, there is overwhelming proof he did, and his continued silence only reinforces this. Other Ron Paul supporters (not any here) are man enough on the forums there, to openly call for clarification. So some Ron Paul supporters do have some morals and values they stand for. Others, like yourself, don't believe the racist comments are racist. That says a lot. Then I take it you are happy with Iran's endorsement of Ron Paul? I certainly don't see it. "I don't know the full story, but....[insert something very passive here]." I've seen it, I know. Ask yourself this. There was a time you used to rip into some of these "supporters" her on their anti-America comments. When is the last time you ripped on a fellow supporter, the way you make everything personal with me? Food for thought. Have a good night.