Not in this thread. I'm glad to see that dishonesty is part of your stable though. Yes, I should. I see who you give a pass to and who you do not. Yes, I believe you were outraged. Seriously! It appears lots of things you are unaware of, are news to you. One doesn't have to state they are outraged, in order for others to observe it. Did you believe that was the rule? Heh! There is no spin. The only spin, is when you know and have sources for your candidate's racism, and pretend those sources do not exist or are not good enough for you. That, my dear grim, is spin And this is the example of that spin. They are proven to be by him. The only thing I've seen to the contrary is you and other RP supporters "saying" it wasn't. No source, no facts, no nothing. I've seen no evidence at any time to believe that is true. Evidence has come forth, and you've completely rejected on nothing more than the grounds that you don't want to believe it. Websters might define that as denial. I've not said any such thing. Huckabee has made some statements about gays. Nothing like what ron paul has said though. No racial comments, like ron paul has. The challenge you face here, is that on one hand, you say that Huckabee has said some things and that Ron Paul has said some things about gays. But then you go back into denial and say those things were never proven about Ron Paul. You can't have it both ways, big boy! Who said he's anti-gay? Like most Christian conservatives, he simply believes the behavior is immoral. Certainly not the same context of Ron Paul. You claim/pretend to be a Christian sometimes, you should probably know this. Yep, I'd throw in hypocrisy and and pathetic too. Your positions always confound me. You have me confused with your candidate. He has not even put an ounce of thought into dismantling the US. Who knows why you support that too. An honest man would look at the data on his candidate regarding racist newsletters, complimenting david duke, railing against jews and homosexuals, ties to white supremacists and say "yeah, my candidate is a racist, but I don't care." but grim, you are not honest, are you? I guess someone needed to reappear to have their ego stroked. I wonder who it is?
True christians always stay in the light, they never deceieve and they never twist facts, and most importantly , they dont posts links of wmd evidence from shady sites, and most importantly, THEY TRY NOT TO COPY AND PASTE.
Do you consider yourself a "true Christian?" Perhaps you should put to practical use, what you prescribe for others. No shady site has been used regarding WMD. It is one site, that links out to many MSM sites. A "true Christian" would know that, and not dishonestly try to misrepresent something. Ron Paul supporters certainly know how to abuse the truth.
All proven to have been wrong, and even president bush said it, and still you wont admit it. Im not misrepresenting anything. If your neocon leader even said it you have to take that to the bank. Again posting debunked links wont prove it, but teh words coming right out of president bush's mouth speaks volumes. You sir have been debunked. As far as being christian, i am and im trying to be a better one, true christianity is loving your fellow man. Your right im not being a true christian when i answer you back, ahh but some tempations are so hard to stay away from( like exposing bs). For the last time i ask you, and from one christian to another: ARE YOU CALLING THE PRESIDENT A LIAR WHEN HE HIMSELF ADMITTED NO WMD'S IN IRAQ? Watch it folks as he ignores this question
Not proven to be wrong. I challenge you to source where all those news articles have been proven wrong. That will require research and sources. Something I believe may present a challenge for you. I challenge you to disprove the sources that are gathered in that document. *some* WMD were found. That is all I've ever contended. To dismiss this in the face of overwhelming evidence (many, many news sources that have documented them) is an abuse of the truth. Would a real Christian abuse the truth this way? I await the evidence (not another opinion).
Again your avoiding my main question that ill clear all this up. Are you calling president bush a liar????????? Just answer the question please!!!!
Having graduated college Summa Cum Laude and being listed in Who's Who in America for my graduate work, intelligence hasn't been an issue. Yeah, I'm using a few pejoratives to make a point. I disagree with RP, yeah, but I'm also sick of the cult-like following that so many Paulians display. Nature always seeks a balance. Those who fall into the Paultard category need some gentle nudging to start using their critical faculties again.
I dont care about what degree you have man. Intelligence is one thing but you cant study to get good intentions, and last i heard they dont give degrees in morality and ethics. as far as i could see, it was people like this that took out mossadegh because of their greed and constant need for power and control over 3rd world countries. Did you know that all of jesus's 12 disciples had phd's in business?
I'm pretty sure GWB got his MBA at Harvard so that's not saying much.. in fact, all that says is your degree was a big waste of time and money.
The elections are all fixed. I don't know why you guys are all so worried. The next president has already been preselected.
Thats nice to know. So we all might as well just go about are perfect daily lives. Paying up the whazoo at the gas pump, being over taxed to death, having no health care for our kids, continuing the illegal occupation of other countries, having worthless currency and so on. Why do we bother right? Thanks for the heads up.
Ron Paul is the best hope for real change most people here have seen in their lifetimes. As Ron Paul and everyone else say: it's about the ideas...or the idea, i.e., freedom. Ron Paul is the avatar.
You want me to scan my transcripts? Whatever, I don't have to prove anything to you. Believe or don't believe, your choice. It's just funny when people make assertions about my intelligence and yet they know nothing about me. But we are digressing from the real problem: Ron Paul Cultism. I'm sure there is a Ph.D thesis here somewhere...
Reason I ask is cause judging my your level of intellect (in my opinion) I highly doubt any scholarly accomplishments pasted 8th grade. And you have brought up your so called "Summa Cum Laude" achievement a few times here as if it means anything or as if it will make your BS more credible? Give me a break.
Oh so since you did it in other threads that makes it ok, but when someone does it to you it's not ok, and that makes them dishonest. That's some mighty fine thinking you have there. I do not give anyone a pass, I unlike you will debate people who would normally be on my side. You NEVER debate people such as Toopac, D16 and others. I was not outraged in the least, simply showing you for the hypocrite you are I never said the sources did not exist. Do you like lying or something? I said I #1 do not see the articles as racist, #2 it is not even proven he wrote them. That is far from saying they do not exist. Actually your own articles you have posted before even said they could not prove they were by him. Please quote the exact links and articles showing there is proof, more than him taking responsibility. Yet again do you like simply lying? I yet again do not think what I read is racist, nor even according to the articles I have read that you have posted is there proof he wrote them. Even if they are by him I DO NOT see them as being racist, not in the least. Actually you have said it Gtech, you said it's ok because it's the party line. Nope Gtech I am not trying to have it both ways, #1 it's not proven it was by him, but if I use your illogical thinking and say it was by him then both have written some things. I am showing you for the hypocrite you are Gtech, nothing more, nothing less. I am not in denial one bit, that would be you now with trying to twist Hucks own words. You don't think he's anti gay? So his stance is AOK, but the supposed writings by RP are not. I guess you think one anti guy stance is better than another, interesting. That is you. I know your position, whatever the party tells you. Might I say 'huh' WTF are you talking about Willis? Where are these ties to white supremacists Gtech, I'm still waiting for that proof where you take the word of a white power individual to trash a war Vet. Where is that at Gtech? Definitely would not be me, I unlike you will tell anyone and everyone to go to hell. You on the other hand would never even dare go against the 'party line'
You have things the opposite of what they really are. To accept this position of me, you must accept it of yourself. That involves a small degree of logic, so I'm not sure you will get it or not. I disagree. I see examples right here in this thread. You certainly had no intention of "debating" today. Everything was taking to a personal level as quickly as possible. Center of attention. Needing support and reinforcement from others. What better way to get it? A personal attack. See? Right. You want to convince me that you are so absent of intelligence, that you actually believe his racist comments are perfectly acceptable. The question is, should I let you convince me of that? I've already source that Ron Paul's newsletters he wrote had personal statements by him, about his family. I've already sourced where RP has defended them in the past, even though now he says he is unaware of them. These have all been presented before. You simply do not want to see it. You want to convince me that you are not intelligent enough to look at the facts. I'm actually considering letting you convince me. I have seen no reason to object to what you want to convince me of. Please don't associate me with you. Please don't suggest I'm lying, while you have the audacity to suggest you do not see racist comments as racist, or that you avoid discussing why Ron Paul claims to not be aware of them, yet is on record defending them in the past. Glass houses. I suggest you are having a very difficult time here. There's no doubt you will get the slap on the ass from your buds here, unconditionally. But that is what you are after, correct? That is what you thrive on. I suggest you are trying to have it more than both ways. I'm also considering letting you convince me that you do not see RP's racist comments as being racist. That says more about you than I ever could, and it's through your own admission. Should I let you convince me that you have THAT much lack of intelligence? I'd like to think otherwise, but if you insist on convincing me, who am I to stand in your way? Absolutely. His stance is fine. It's not like your candidate. Let me ask you this, GRIM (and this isn't a personal attack). Do you dream of having big muscular men performing sex acts on your body, or even more, do you fantasize about such with other men? I'm going to reach out on a limb here, since I believe you are married (to a female), and suggest you probably do not. Why? Well, if you are like me, and other men that are straight, you find it repulsive. Be a man Grim, admit you don't dream about having a big long one on a cold night! I sure know it doesn't interest me at all. Does that mean I don't like gay people? No. Does it mean you do not like gay people? No. Is that behavior repulsive and ahborent to me? Absolutely! Does it mean I want to discriminate against gays because I do not condone such behavior and/or find it repulsive? No. I'm taking a stab in the dark here, but I suspect you are a descent enough man that you wouldn't discriminate against others either, even though you find it repulsive. No different here than with Huckabee. He's not discriminating against gays, nor advocating such. In the "conservative" base (that would be the base you are in, because guerilla very often attempts to portray Ron Paul as a conservative Republican and I've never seen you challenge it), marriage is defined between a man and a woman. It always has been, and I suspect it always will be. As far as the info about women goes, Huckabee has clearly covered this. You are projecting yourself onto me here. This is exactly what I've seen of you, regarding Ron Paul and your new found "buddies." You are free to say whatever you like. They've been posted time and again. I believe the usual denial consists of repeatedly asking for proof, when it's already been presented. I see another pattern emerging. If that were true, then I have to believe that you take on the views of many you associate with here. Hatred for America, Israel, Jews, Blacks, etc. I certainly don't see you go after them when they express such things. Do you really want to convince me that you agree with them on these issues, because, as you noted above, if you disagreed, you'd tell them to go to hell? Sometimes I wonder if you really think through things, before hitting the submit button. Then I read what you type, and can't help but think you probably did actually think about it.
I didn't know RP was for socialized medicine?!? Or is it you didn't realize he is not. Can you show me his stance on this, since I assumed he was against socialism. Also, you don't actually have children do you?