Do good people go to hell?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by thegr4, Jan 29, 2012.

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    It is a very common question most of the unbelievers ask the Muslims that how is it possible that people who seem to do good, devote their lives in doing so many things that are beneficial to others, are these people going to hell? Do they fall under the category of those who will face eternal life in hell fire? Because the Quran tells us that Allah will not accept any other religion except Islam. Let us examine the definition of a good person. What makes something good and what makes something evil? The definition of good and evil changes from place to place and from people to people. What may be good for one may not be good for the other. For example Jinnah is considered as a hero among Pakistanis. He is the founder of Pakistan, he is considered as the role model for the Pakistanis. In contrary, Jinnah is not so popular in India. Some even portray him as evil. So one's definition of what is good is another's understanding of what is evil. Let us take another example of a war that happened in former Yugoslav. Where a state separated itself called Bosnia. This state was attacked by Serbians. The leader of the Serbians was Slobodan Milošević. A wanted war criminal for rape and murder of Muslims. Yet until today amongst the Serbs he is considered as a hero. So, one persons definition of a good person is another persons definition of an evil person. So who defines what is good? Every person has own idea of what they think its good, what they think is evil. What is right and what is wrong. Where do these ideas come from? Who told them what is evil and what is good. Most of the people follow the pattern of the society they live in. The morals of a society is defined in a certain area, beyond which anything is considered wrong, immoral, unjust and evil. Most people make sure that they fit inside that circle. If anyone starts to go outside that circle, then the people start to apply label on them. Labels like religious, extreme, evil etc. because they fall outside the circle of what is normal in society.

    One of the most important thing is the intention. In Islam, something is good when it is intended for the contentment of Allah. It has to be done sincerely and purely for the pleasure of Allah. Hoping for his reward the paradise and fearing for his punishment. Some people may say that this is not a good reason to do good deeds because you are afraid of the hell fire, because you want paradise. Surely the reason you should do good deeds is because it is good and not for any benefit. Those who do good deed they get a feeling that they did a good deed, they get satisfied by themselves. So by doing good deeds, they want to satisfy themselves. They make themselves the centre of the universe. This is more likely to breed arrogance and pride which is not a good characteristic. Whereas a Muslim does things purely for the pleasure of Allah. Infact there may be some things that Allah wants from us to do, even though may not like it, and Allah tells us to leave something even though we like it, but for the Muslim, the purpose is only pleasing Allah, who is the lord of all the creations. But our intention is not enough for the deed to be good. The deed also has to be correct. It as to be done according to the laws of Allah given in the Quran and in the example of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). So the deed is considered to be good if the intention and action both are correct. True faith is the basis of everything in Islam. If we are worshipping someone along with Allah then our deeds will be vain.

    Let us think deeply about the greatness of Allah. There is a saying of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) that our universe is like a ring in the desert compared to the Kursi. The Kursi is like a ring in the desert compared to Arsh which is the throne of Allah. How vast the desert is and how small a ring is compared to the desert. But for us the universe is massive. Our own galaxy is 100,000 light years across. Our galaxy is one of billions in the known universe. So what makes us from the universe. We are not even a spec in the universe. Allah is greater than whatever you can imagine. We all walk every day on the ground and when we walk we kill dozens of crawling insects on the ground and it does not even bother us, we do not even think about it. But Allah does care about us.

    Those people who say Allah is a man, or man created Allah. Is this not an insult to Allah. He who created you from dust. Who made for you the air to breathe, water to drink, vegetables, fruits and animals to eat. Time by time He sent guidance for us in the form of Messengers. He gave us the free will either to obey Him or to disobey. You think Allah will not punish you for insulting Him, for neglecting him? Allah is just. He never does injustice to his slaves. If he punishes us, it will be from his justice and if he rewards us paradise, then it is by his mercy.

    If you have a business and you employ people and you pay the people. If you find out that all the time you have paid to them but they work for someone else, what would you do? You would immediately fire them. You are paying them and they work for someone else. Similarly it is Allah who made you, he made things necessary for your survival and all He asks you is to obey Him alone. But you disobey, you ascribe partners to his kingdom or even fail to recognise him as your creator. What do you think Allah will do to you for insulting him, for disobeying him.

    If you don't want to worship Allah alone, then find a place which is not Allah's place. Find the air which is not Allah's air and where you can eat food which is not Allah's food. You will not find such a place.

    There is nothing worthy of worship except of Allah. On the day of Judgement, a man will stand in font of Allah, and Allah will say to him if you had everything in the earth all its wealth, all its resources, all its land and you had it twice over, would you ransom it now to save yourself from hell fire? This man will say yes my lord. Allah will say to him, I asked for you less than that.

    All Allah is asking from us is to worship him alone and not ascribe any partners with him.
     
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    thesickearth Active Member

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    Of course they go to hell. Furthermore, they go to hell of each religion they didn't believe in
     
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    Spoiltdiva Acclaimed Member

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    Consider this fact:all through history and indeed today,there have been thousands of religions.The "ONLY" thing they all have in common is this.....namely that their religion is right and all the others are wrong.
    So tell me which one is the right one? Oh wait,let me guess,your religion..........right? Do you suppose that God(Allah,Jehovah......etc.)really cares who is annoited? Does he care if we eat meat on friday,eat pork or not,pray 5 times a day or 4 or 3? The creator is master of the universe I believe he doesn't care.I believe that our bodies are the temples of our souls.If we are worthy then our spirits join with our creator when we die.If they are not worthy we do not join....that is hell.
    We shouldn't need religions with all their man made rules and regulations,all the do's and don'ts to know the difference between right and wrong.Live a good life and God will see you when you leave this earth,live a bad life and this life will be the only one you will ever know.Now as far as I'm concerned that concept too "is" hell.
     
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    thegr4 Well-Known Member

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    Allah sent messengers to every age. The purpose of each messenger was to deliver the message of submission to one God. But as the time passed some of the messages got distorted. People also introduced new matters in the religion of God.
    Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is the last and final messenger of Allah. In the last and final book Allah has corrected the distortions the Jews and the Christians have made in the religion. The message is for all humanity and every nation and the message is submission to the will of Allah. Allah has promised to keep the last book in its original form until the day of Judgement. That is the reason why not even a single word of the Quran has been altered in the last 1400 years.
     
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    So then the followers of the Sunnah are going to hell. They have clearly strayed from the teachings of Allah.
     
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    You know, I really don't think anyone who's alive can answer this question!
     
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    We have different religion and different beliefs. The good thing that we need to do is respect each others belief.
     
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    You mean stoning to death women that have been raped, executing those who had ever worked on Sundays, etc? Yeah, that should work.


    And for the future please remember, for your own benefit, that not everything that somebody had ever told you was true.
     
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    mmerlinn Prominent Member

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    EVERYONE that has EVER lived has gone to HELL. And everyone alive today will also go to hell.
     
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    Depends on what your idea of hell is, it could be argued that some people are already there.

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    Equally it can be argued that some people are already in paradise.

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    gworld Prominent Member

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    You say the Muhammad was the last prophet but an intelligent person will think that he was a strong man who probably suffered from some kind of mental problem which resulted in his hallucinations about receiving instructions from God. The hallucinations helped him to achieve a strong government based on his belief.
    How do you know Quran hasn´t been changed from what it was in Muhammad´s hallucinations?
     
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    Usually, men that really like to be in charge do not have those kinds of mental problems. Also, it's been known that some of them were hypocrites or even said words that weren't true..
     
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    We have the oldest scripture of the Quran having exactly the same wording as it is today. As for the proof of Muhammad being the prophet is the Quran itself. There is no contradiction in the Quran, prophet Muhammad was unable to read and write, how can a person unable to read and write bring about this book.
     
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    Wrong, there's been many Korans discovered some dating back shortly after the death of the prophet himself. Comparisons in the text show that the text is even more 'unstable' than it is today.

    The Koran doesn't 'prove' anything. No proof is contained in any book anywhere, to revert to a book as proof of anything is absurd. Just because you can write things down, many times over doesn't increase it's likelihood of being real.

    Islam started in the desert, around campfires of story tellers. Muhammad's medium of communication would of been speech, from which some of his many 'fans' or 'followers', would of been able to convert some of his stories and social, political and philosophical ideas into hard copies to be shared with other tribes and tribe members. It could of been something as simple as stone tablets, who knows it's open to speculation. Maybe the first Koran was made out of animal skin, I doubt he came down from the stars like some kind of stormtrooper with a hard back book.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    Wrong. We don´t need to go to far back. Just look at Richard Nixon who was the president of USA but also an Alcoholic, Anti-Semite and very paranoid. Look at Howard Hughes, who was a billioner, industrialist, aviation hero and suffered from germ phobia. There are many many such examples. There is saying that there is only a thin line between being a genius or crazy.
     
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    O.K. I give up,which one are you.
    p.s. have a nice day.:)
     
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    and how do you know that he did? You were standing there with a microphone? Got the original CD? I'd like to check it out.
     
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    There is no hell or heaven you superstitious crazy people.
     
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    Best comment on the whole of this thread.. You guys believe in Santa too I guess?
     
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    So then, if there's not much difference between a leader who's an idiot and one who is a genius, then this is also true with respect to the followers that they lead.
     
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