Do Christians believe in the Old Testament, yes or no?

Honestly I want to know and it’s simple:

Please clarify these points to me:

• Do you believe in the OT. For you is it still all valid, part valid or invalid?
• Did Jesus come to fulfil or abolish the old laws?
• Is their a concept of abrogation in the bible similar to that of other holy books, where by rules and laws changed as suited?
• Do you approve of the old laws and the type of punishments in the case for example of not observing the Sabbath, or in fornication? In other words do you think those laws were good and divine within their historical concept?
• With hindsight, do Christians today endorse the wars of the Lord as described in the OT and on the way they were conducted?
• Why are some Christians sometimes feel embarrassed/ashamed when quoted from the OT?

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It'll be nice to see the opinions of all Christian denominations.

Cheers

 

If you don't believe in the Old Testament, why should you believe in the new one.

 

Do you believe people who work on Sunday and those who cross dress are sent to hell?

 

1. I do believe in the old testament, however we are not under the same laws or times

2. neither, jesus came to be a sacrifice for our sins

3. If one takes from or adds to the bible there would be great consequences, it is written at the end of revelation,

4. personally i do not, but considering the time in history, im sure they were reasonable

5. war goes against everything taught in the new testament, if someone is endorsing war it is not due to their Christian faith

6. Many people use the old testament as a tool to point out that God is not loving or that he is cruel. The fact of the matter is, God is a just God, he is also a loving God. He is our creator and we should not question him.

 

I believe in the OT but I learn about the NT

 

I believe this. That their is a God. Didn't man write the Bible ? I know this much. I'm sure God is disappointed about alot of things. Look at the world. Look at us..

 

What I believe is that people intercept anything they hear in different ways which leads them to different paths.

A person may be religious, but if they hear, read or see something such as a great scientific discovery that goes against his beliefs, his thoughts are turned to the other side of the plate.

 

Men wrote the bible But with the guidance of the holy spirit

The world is awful, but God saw that coming. Read revelation

 

Correct interpretation comes from prayer, and the holy spirit.

Science will never overcome the truth of the bible. Matter of fact The bible is closer to scientific then you may think read the article below.

http://www.absolutetruth.net/bible/page14.html

 

Okay. I have a question.

Do you think there is other life on other planets? Let's say if there was, what would your beliefs be ?

 

Ok, who in the hell got sb1234 going on ANOTHER thread

 

My head hurts from trying to answer the same questions in 43 different threads...LOL

I'll pass on this one as these points were covered in another thread.

 

Well, I will respond in hopes you will actually read it and check to see if I am correct without going to the one site...

• Yes, I believe in the old Testament, the written word is still true, but if you try to say that a command for a specific person is for everyone today, you are obviously trying to misread it.
• Jesus came and fulfilled the law just like He said.
• There is no changing of the rules or laws except for that which would have been spoken by God and recorded in the Bible, this again goes back to the first point - who was commanded? One person, a specific group or all people? The books in the Bible are all still the same, and each time older evidence is found, it has proven so.
• God can do as He chooses and His laws are just, he also gave those laws to who?
• The wars in the O.T. are quite interesting. Some parts God commands someone to do something and His ways are right, even if we don't like them. Other times you will see men do what they want and usually there is a consiquence, some of which lasted 100's of years.
• As a Christian I don't feel ashamed of the O.T., I get irritated that I have to repeat myself to the same 4 people on DP as they copy from a site that twists the meaning on purpose to cause confusion. The one thing that is true from the Bible is it says that satan is the author of confusion, I sure wouldn't want to be one using his playbook.

So if you asked these questions with an honest intention, you would actually go and research and see if what I wrote is true or not, without going to a particular site that is full of misleading twisting of the Word. In fact, I dare you.

 

I think its possible, and if so God created them too, truth is i really dont know. The bible does not say anything about other creations that i know of. However its fun to think that it does, hence my sig

lol, you love it

 

For my denomination, the OT is an important part of the history of God's people. It shows what God has done, and how he has continued to be a part no matter how much humans screw up. Now to answer your points:

1. Yes, I believe in it. Its not something that is make believe. As far as validity, the OT provides some very important lessons and stories about God and his interaction with his people.
2. Jesus fulfilled the law, and left us with a new commandment, one of love.
3. To say that there is not is to say that God is not open to change. Of course things change. I believe that God is open to change, if not, he would not have given the world free will.
4. Within their historical setting, the laws were appropriate. See answer to #3.
5. Who am I to question the way that God does things?
6. I am not sure...I don't feel ashamed...I look at the context anyway.

 

Wanted to address the free will you mentioned, just to see what you thought about this.
2 Timothy chapter 2
25 with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, 26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.

This passage states that God decides if you are his child or not, you do not.

It also states that you are under the snare of the devil, a snare is a trap, being trapped is quite the opposite of free will.

My point is we do not have freewill until we are born again. I just wanted to clarify ask for your views on this if i may.

 

would love to discuss it. Here we go.

First, lets look at the context to which Paul is writing to Timothy. Paul writes:

So the people that Paul is referring to are the people that have turned their hearts to the devil, and totally away from God. They are the people that do not trust God, and that (at the time the letter was written) were probably worshipping false gods. The pericope in question does not state that God decides who is his children, but instead decides if those who have left him are allowed to come back. Its the same old predestination/ double predestination argument.

So the people that God MAY grant grace to are the people who are worshipping Satan, and not God. To not recieve free will until you are born again means that you do what God tells you. Why would God have certain people worship Satan then?

God has given us free will from the beginning, hence the reason Adam and Eve ate the fruit. If they did not have free will, they would not have eaten, but instead they did.

Furthermore, being "born again" is not necessary if you have been baptised. Once baptised, you are marked with the cross of Christ forever, and therefore are always welcome back to the table. This is why I do not agree with the theology of some baptist churches that say you have to be baptized over and over again. One was good enough for Christ, one is good enough for me.

 

Valid points, i would like to respond but dont want to continue off topic, ive started a thread below if you would like to continue

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=548325

 

Thanks, but I have to run, will try to come back tonite and debate some more!

 

One can’t stop wondering in confusion, how could he have fulfilled the old laws when he himself abolished so many? Let’s take for instance the example of “eye for eye” wasn’t that abolished or abrogated with a new law “Do not resist an evil person”? This law “eye for eye” wasn’t for a specific person, it was for all Jews and practiced over the centuries before him. Am I misreading this?

Hasn’t the old covenant been taken away/replaced? Wouldn’t that constituted a change?

If you keep saying that god changes things as he wishes then there is no point in this discussion. Because whenever a mistake or a contradiction is found, the answer would always be the same because “god chooses to”.

God commands? Isn’t that what Muslims say about their wars?
Quite interesting? Anyone who reads about wars in the O.T would find them repulsive, unjust and cruel.

But this is a typical reply from some Christians: Oh well that’s OT, the NT is different.

In my view the god of the OT is a complete opposite to that of the NT and so was Moses in comparison to Jesus.