Normal wife-husband relation, you call it rape! Sex with strangers, that's fine! This is in your culture,your man fuck babies. It does not happen in Muslim world. Sick is not a correct word to describe your mentality. A disgrace to humanity in every aspect of life. I feel shameful I learned so many disgusting facts from you people, I had some little respect somewhere in my mind for you people in a few aspects of life, not any more.
^^ I repeat again, if you hate western culture so much and have no respect for such people why do you live in UK? Move back to an Islamic countries where pedophiles and woman beaters like you are welcomed.
Actually, where I come from "my man" beats the shit out of people who touch kids. I'm not even joking. Literally, if you beat a coward like that badly enough they do tend to shit themselves. That, or it's the kicks in the stomach. Who the hell knows? All I know is where I come from people like you who promote child abuse get the exact treatment they deserve, then, if they live, they're sent to jail. Unlike in your culture where you marry the infant so it is legal. Your mistake is to think that a normal husband-wife relationship involves rape. It does not. Only in your culture is forcing sex on a spouse acceptable. Here a woman has the right, as does the man, to say NO! and have it really mean NO! - you think raping your wife is OK - you are the one who is sick. How can you even get a fucking erection when you are raping someone? Do you have no soul? A man who can keep it up during rape needs it sliced off. Slowly. While awake. With a meat slicer. Into 0.005mm thin slices. He then needs to be force-fed said slices. Here sex is consensual and loving in a relationship/marriage. We do not rape our partners. This is normal and good. Raping a partner is sick - you freak. Please leave the UK and go back to wherever you are from. PS - why is your name muzammil and not muhammad like most Muslim males?
It does still remain a mystery about the fate of such babies who die without being baptized. We, as Christians, believe anyone must be baptized in order to go to heaven. However, God is also fair. This sort of thing was not discussed in the bible and remains to God's judgment. They will not go to hell of course because it was not their fault. Same thing goes for babies who die early after birth.
An 8 month old is viable outside the womb, an 3 month old is not. Not really a relevant question, as many if not most abortions are performed in the first 14 days. For the bible readers amongst us(which I know you are not), they say the life is in the blood, but the fetus has no blood until about 12 days. Not that it matters. @Thegr4: You need to tone it down. You managed to fill up two pages of a thread calling people apes and pigs for failing to believe as you do, and you believe some pretty sick sh*t. If you are unable to discuss something remotely related to the topic(Aborted babies going to Heaven), why don't you just piss off.
Life is created once the sperm fertilizes the egg. There is a difference between life and prenatal development.
No one goes to Heaven from Earth, remittance to the Garden is the same for everyone. The Outerworld is the only path to Heaven.
Thanks Luke, after 40+ replies I finally get one regarding my topic. If I understand what you're saying Luke, Christians have no idea what happens to fetus that are aborted.
If you want an honest opinion, Yes, as a Christian myself, I can tell you we're not 100% sure where they go. But I know they will not go some place bad. Of course, you will find people including some Christians who will argue that they must go to hell because they are not baptized. That is just baloney. God never judges from one dimension.
Luke what kind of God do you follow? He does not even tell his name to his followers? He does not even know what to do with infants and aborted babies? Answer is because you are not following one God, Allah, you are following the philosophy written by Matthew, John, Luke etc... Which has kept on changing with time. Why do you have so many versions of bible by the way, and which version do you follow? Old testament, New testament, Matthew, John, Paul, Luke? which one? It is clear in bible the indication of Prophet Muhammad, who will reveal the truth which Jesus (PBUH) could not tell his followers because they could not bear it then. They could not bear the fact that Jesus (PBUH) is the prophet of God and not the god himself. In fact if you take the old testament, Prophet Muhammad name (Ahmad) is in the Bible as well, but you people, you removed that line and change it to Holy Ghost. What holy ghost? what solution that holy ghost has given you by the way? Your followers are drunkards, prostitutes, baby killers and I can go on with the list... So what is the solution do you have, what solution does your bible offer to you??? Nothing! because its not the original word of God. Look at the kind of tests given in Bible to determine whether a woman has committed adultery or not. Can a priest open the brain of that woman and pour water inside her brain? Do you expect that woman to stay alive after that? Look at the kind of test given in Bible to determine whether a person is true believer or not. Can your priest drink poison to check whether he is a true Christian priest? Sick.
Can a wife be raped by his husband? what kind of sick philosophy is this. Marriage is a two sided relationship, one side is controlled by husband and the other side is by wife. They both make decisions together, they both share their views, their thoughts and live a life like friends. Not like you where you don't even know the name of you children's father. In fact you people don't even marry. There is no such thing as child abuse in Muslim culture, correct your concept. This is all media propaganda, if one case arises in one year, out of in 1.5 billion people living in this world, your media highlights it as if its happening everywhere. You need to wake up and bear the facts. We don't kill babies, we are not murderers. Sick.
Can a wife be raped by his husband? You meant "her". "His" implies the wife is a man. And yes. Forcing sex on a person is rape. I don't have kids, so there is no name to know - if I decide to have children, their father will be my partner. I know his name well, it is tattooed on my right shoulder. It was a gift for our anniversary some years back. There is no such thing as child abuse in Muslim culture, correct your concept. This is the biggest lie you have ever told - in fact it is the biggest lie anyone on this forum has ever told. EVER. Fucking scum bag. If you pretend child abuse doesn't exist in Islam you are BETRAYING children. You are an abuser. If you do not acknowledge it you do nothing to save the children who are being abused. Child abusers exist in ever country, culture and religion. Almost every other Muslim here KNOWS that is a fact - it happens everywhere and is abhorrent - it needs to be stopped - don't pretend that in over a billion Muslims not ONE is a child abuser.
Why do only non-Muslims know this fact. Why do Muslims deny it, because we are living in the reality. There is no such thing as wife rape, in fact we don't live for sex like you do. Your hormones are always on alert to have sex because you eat pigs, drink wine, watch porn and do all kind of inhuman acts which always keep your sex charged up to explode. That's why your girls are raped every second, no women is save after dark, even in the day time as well. In fact people are fucking like donkeys on the streets and family parks now. Child abuse has nothing to do with religion. In fact Islam prohibits child abuse. You are a scum bag because you drink it! and store it in your stomach.
I wonder how you know all this if you don't watch porn? Does Rob now need to send a trojan to your computer and track the sites you visit?
.... Non Muslims know that forcing yourself on a person is rape. Muslims (well, no - not all Muslims - many know what rape is, actually) believe marital rape is OK according to you. Because if you are married you believe your wife is property and even if she does not wish to touch you, you have the right in your sick mind to rape her. This makes you a rapist. Rapists belong in prison. Child abuse is a reality the world over. There are sadly many sick people who hurt women - Muslims and non Muslims alike. Have you spoken with another Muslim about his? Because most understand it is a sad and horrible crime committed by sick individuals regardless of race, culture, religion and/or sexuality. You think rape is like this constant huge thing here - of my entire family, and it is a large family, all my friends, etc - I have known only two people who have ever been raped. One of these people was raped by her ex husband, who happened to be a Muslim. (He didn't rape her because he was a Muslim, he raped her because he was a sick, horrible man. He's now in jail and will never be allowed to see his kids again - thank God.) You said one thing that was correct - child abuse doesn't have anything to do with religion. It happens in every religion, because sick people are still sick people, whichever god they believe in. What are you implying I drink? You didn't name a substance. Only "it". Are you referring to cum? How do you even know what masturbation/cum is? Have you watched porn or touched yourself? Allah hates that.
What are you talking about? What's with all this hate pouring all at once? Somethings are better left for God's judgment. We don't have to put our noses in everything, unless you are a fetus yourself. We follow one God, who aids us and gives us life, way and light through our Journey. The New testament + old testament = bible. The prostitutes, baby killers or those who support abortion, thieves.. ects are not the followers of Jesus. Anything in the bible that encourages that? Also, I suggest you get yourself together. You are starting to become insane here. Stop making false claims and stuffing Islamic things in the bible. Your acts should reflect your religion....
I am not saying anything bad about your religion. I am just asking you that you worship Jesus (PBUH), GOD (the father one) and Holy spirit. They sound like 3 to me? But then you say they are not 3 but they are 1. And what's with all the whores, prostitutes and incest stories in the bible? If say my 5 yr. old child reads bible and asks me daddy what's incest, what's a whore? then what am I supposed to tell him? Does your god wants children to know about these illicit acts happening in this world, and what's the moral of these stories? I don't see any moral in these stories as well. I mean no offence to you but its in your bible, so can you explain it to me? or do you keep this book out of reach of children?
The first question you asked about the holy trinity is one of the most difficult but can also be the easiest to understand. I will give you an example that somewhat illustrates this. We believe God is the Father, Son and the holy spirit. All in one form. All are inseparable. Son = Jesus Christ. Lets look at planet Sun. It is composed of body, light and heat. All in one form. All are inseparable. You can't have a sun without heat or without light or just its planet body. Likewise, a human is body+soul. Why does it have to be a bit complicated? Well, God doesn't have to be simple to understand. God is complex. So we believe in 1 God. The composition of this God and different authorities is what non-christians find it difficult to understand Once you somewhat understand this, I can answer any followup questions.