DMOZ's worst nightmare!

It is crazy there. They see nothing wrong that editors are "moderators" and the same people who attack you, when you answer, lock,edit and delete the thread.

One of the Editor/"Modertaor" guys has actually posted in Dec 2003 in WPW that DMOZ and cbp were crap and useless, but now after becoming an editor, he has put up a sticky in search engine section that people should not complain about DMOZ and if they have a question, they should post in resourceless zone.

I posted that his sticky was wrong and according to forum's guide line it is not possible and get the user banned. I even posted the following from resourceless guide line:

"here is some extracts from DMOZ forum guideline at resource-zone.com. This is a link to the page.
http://www.resource-zone.com/guidelines.php

The forums

We have initially set up the following forums:
• ……………………………………..
• Submissions - How to submit sites; finding the most appropriate category; absence of 'Add URL', and what this means. Please note that posting in this forum will not lead to site listing in itself. Remember that the ODP prides itself as a highly selective directory, and repeated, unjustified complaints about non-listing may lead to suspension or removal of your posting privileges. Also, remember that it takes time for editors to get to the submissions - so please do not complain about not being listed a few days after your submission.

If your category is run by your competition and you complain for not getting listed, we will ban you. Unjustified complaints get you banned but you cannot go in to detail with URL or editor’s name because it is against other guidelines and get you banned. I don’t think anybody complains after couple of days but can they complain after couple of years?

• Abuse Reporting - Information on how to report abuse; generic questions on types of abuse; generic reports of abuse with no mention of URLs, editor names, or specific categories; basic questions about editor removal will also be entertained here. However, specific cases of abuse will not be handled in this forum. If you have specific reports of abuse, try reporting the case to DMOZ staff, a meta-editor or, in their specific areas, a category moderator. Questions about specific cases will lead to the discussion being terminated and may lead to suspension or removal of your posting privileges. Editor removal appeals should be referred to staff at staff@dmoz.org.

We always mention that there is no proof about abuse cases and our opponents do not have any specific case, do not try to expose us, we will ban you.

Posting Guidelines

Topics - Good and Bad

In order to ensure that those who really want help can get it in as expedient a way as possible, certain rules have been drawn up. In particular, the following topics may not be discussed.

• Specific complaints about being removed as an editor.

Honest editors should not complain that their editing privilege has been revoked because they have complained about the way ODP is run.

• Complaints about specific people working or volunteering their time at ODP.

You should not expose the editors.

• Discussion of the ways in which ODP runs itself.

You should not expose ODP.
• …………………..
• …………………...
• Discussion of your "Freedom of Speech" rights. While the ODP is based on democratic principles, it does not try to imitate a democratic government. You are free to talk about anything you want... somewhere else.

We don’t believe in Free speech, censor is the only way to defend this organization "

needless to say that this was not popular and was moved at once.

 

I haven't read all the posts in this thread, so maybe this has been mentioned. DMOZ appears to suffer the same pitfalls as a socialist economy. The truly talented and hardworking have little to gain unless they are corrupt. In categories I edit, (not at DMOZ) I am only motivated to give back what seems fair for the benefit, and maybe a few more that I can't resist sharing. In directories of this sort a mixed economy would be an improvement. A reward formula based on quality/number of edits/traffic might work. Quality of decisions could be judged by a combination of poll voting, category performance and review board. A lack of rewards for ethical achievement is why socialism always fails or becomes corrupt, oppresive, and led by small creatures with facial features similar to rodents.

 

And don't forget this, quoted previously from a DMOZ editor:

So, to correct your description, jazzylee:

 

sopranos, and not the crime family variety.

 

AOL needs to do something quick to reorganize DMOZ, this crap is insane.

Human beings are corruptible and when you appoint them to decide the fate of websites and 70% of them don't really care about their categories or even work on them all that much to cut out the crap sites and add quality to the directory it cries out for automation.

They could always use the same things Shawn uses for the co-op to weed out spam submissions and it could all be done with automation sending back emails to sites rejected or those that win inclusion.

What the hell is AOL waiting for folks

 

They are trying to finish the integration of netscape into AOL 25 first.

 

Next thing I can't figure out is why Google has a directory and what the hell does Yahoo have one for

Who in the hell uses any of these to directly find anything when searching

Many searches done on "Meta Engines" return results from the DMOZ database, but in the end it does not have much effect on the SERP's as I have many #1 rankings in many keywords and not one of the sites is in DMOZ

 

penicillin is a worthless drug because I've never taken it and I am healthy

 

Right………

In my view, the only people who have even heard of DMOZ are editors and webmasters. Both have the same objective, ODP listings. The original premise behind the ODP and the ‘social contract’ was a noble cause. But, search technology has rendered ODP meaningless to most searchers. I know of no one who would make the effort to navigate the directory. It’s simply archaic. And the search function never worked, leaving no choice but to navigate.

The real interest in ODP is PR. And, the only ones interested are webmasters because it’s a free, high PR link. When (not if) G abandons PR entirely, who will bother with ODP? At that point, I think it’s game over.

 

They are almost finished. The problem is the version they are almost finished integrating is Netscape 4.0

Faulty logic (or Fawlty Towers if you prefer): you have been taking it all along in your food.

Noble, maybe, but based on faulty logic (or Fawlty Towers, as you prefer: see above). The concept was doomed from the beginning.

 

Catching up on your reading I see?

If you have a minute, Look at my google api question in other tools.

Thanks

 

Yes, I confess I was out imbibing. What did I miss?

Oh... something about the API... okay...

 

The Open Directory search is temporarily unavailable. Please try back later

temporarily 1. for a brief period of time 2. not permanently

Therefore, this message should be changed to

The Open Directory search is temporarily available. You're in luck!

 

I think folks get more results indirectly from the DMOZ database by using Meta Search Engines than they do using DMOZ to search, I have never used DMOZ to find anything but do see them used as a source on Meta Searches

 

Now there's a show that made me laugh! You probably realize I was illustrating the faulty logic at the end of the previous quote...I'm sometimes too subtle for my own good. My fault for not using quotes and showing my train of thought better.

And if I interpret the statement "you have been taking it all along in your food" as your proof of the faulty logic in my illustration, then you have erred. This would be an argument against the validity of my premise and not an exposure of faulty logic.

But what do I know? I just watched a goofy Kung Fu movie....

 

All this DMOZ stuff is the rage at the moment like the Google wars of a year ago on the forums, I guess subjects go in and out of style on the forum circuit and everyone is jumping on the DMOZ train right now.

Funny how that happens

I get a great laugh out of all of it no matter the subject when folks get up in arms and enraged.

 

Will is about to take some serious action(s) and needs our support. Anyone who has some serious info on wrong doing should comment on the blog.
http://dmozpetition.blogspot.com
Mike

 

Hey buddy, you are far ahead of me now!

My top ideas this far were for a web site with a petition to AOL and a seperate petition to Google. This site would also gather the ample evidence against DMOZ. I was planning to do this by implementing a phpBB, because that is the software I am mos comfortable with.

It seems to me that a blog should work reasonably as well.

You're off and running and I'm stuck on this Carlsbad/Canada project right up until my wedding/honeymoon and then I won't be back until the middle of next month.

And when I get back, my first post has to be a scouting report for ferret77.

 

I've seen this happening here also. I may have recently joined DP, but I've been lurking years now as a guest
It's simple common sense I guess. Be pleasant to attract the masses, but when your product/service become a need, ego's kick in.