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Not everyone that leaves ODP is disgruntled. So I guess all of these ex DMOZ editors are not telling us the truth? I also guess that we all MUST BE CRAZY. As I have said over and over again and I will repeat it once more. What is going on in DMOZ will be exposed for good or bad. In time everything comes out and when it does, I believe we all will hear those famous last words " I AM ONLY A VOLUNTEER"

Maybe you dont get out to the forums much. In my short time on the internet so to speak, I have seen a ton of complaints and most of them seem to have merit.

As stated we all must be crazy and the editors of DMOZ are the only sane people left on the internet.

I agree with you, however I also believe that either google or some other very large organization will have someone placed into ODP that will expose all we have been discussing. I would also like to point out those that made ODP can break it. Only time and the effort of those trolls you mentioned will be the fall of this cash and carry store you call DMOZ.

 

I absolutely agree with you - if someone like Google were to care about the quality of the directory they would have someone who becomes an editor to check it out.

Personally, I believe that this has more than likely already happened. If they see the same thing I do, they will come to the same conclusions.

My understanding is that the original founders of the ODP (the ones that "made" it happen) are no longer involved in the organisation - they moved on to other projects. I doubt they have the power to "break it". So I would question the factualness of your statement.

 

Las Vegas Homes,

To discuss this with Alucard is useless and waste of time, he lacks the possibility or authority to be convinced or change his mind. you can show him proofs and different arguments from now to end of time and you will just get back the official DMOZ BS in return.

Just laugh at their desperate defense of DMOZ and let's discuss productive suggestions on how to get rid of DMOZ.

 

Why does it matter if you think Alucard is deluded? He patently doesn't have the influence to expose or correct any of the issues you feel so strongly about. Can't he be left in peace?
By the same account Dave you should be left to quietly stew with your hatred, alone

Credible claims of corruption will be entertained, until then, adios!

 

Maybe I wasnt clear enough with that comment. I was referring to the webmasters and site owners. These are the people that made DMOZ, Not the editors, not the meta's or editalls. It is just like any other business model it is your consumers that make or break you.

From where I am sitting I see more and more people getting fed up with the actions and better than anyone else type attitude. So as far as I am concern DMOZ is nothing but a bad memory.

An old but great saying. " If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck"

 

Has another DMOZ editor joined this forum? With so many DMOZ editors running here, it seems these threads has started to make them worry that finally Google will put a stop to their gravy train.

Who is going to leave who in peace?

We are not the one who is running to resource-less zone, it is DMOZ editors who run to this forum and try to shove their usual BS down our throat.

 

No one forced you to enter this thread... and I actually thought it started off in quite a novel way, not the usual BS at all

 

I'm really not so sure about that, one of the founders (Rich Skentra) was caught within corruption and got demoted to meta. The principal of DMOZ is good, but human nature is corrupt, like it or not. Without proper supervision, the saga will continue as is.

 

May I ask what are you on? Your postings makes less and less sense.

 

Just to stay on topic here:
http://www.whois.sc/internet-statistics/dmoz-listings.html?page=14
It would be worth noting that if you have interest in promoting your porn site through the ODP, you can just make a photo gallery about virtually anything and submit. I'm assuming what we see now with the multiple porn listing sites is the work of poor, volunteer editors doing there best to serve the greater good on their free time. I just want to express my enormous gratitude.

 

You can also check the domains through who is and you will see the same names repeating itself many times as the owner of the different domains with multiple listings in DMOZ. Even when the name and companies are different, many of them still have the same IP address and name servers for some strange reason while one company is located in USA and another one in Sarajevo.

Is there some kind of brotherhood between DMOZ editors that causes them to use the same servers?

 

I'm not trying to pick on you or anything, Las Vegas. And this is not defending ODP or attacking it either. I just wanted to pick at a couple little things you said.

That is always true; the masses are NEVER wrong or misguided.
How about the witch hunts a couple hundred years ago.
Or the notion that the world is flat.
Or DDT's are safe, so everyone lined up and got sprayed as trucks rolled through town.
Or the 1900's, everyone was told to spend hours in the sun to cure all ailments.
Or many other things that people began to believe because they were told by a couple people that they thought knew what they were talking about.

Bottomline...Masses are never completly right because they are easily influenced and don't always see the both sides of a given topic.

I always got in trouble in high school and when I said "but everyone else is doing it" I always was told the same things..."if they jumped off a bridge, would you?" or "just because the others are doing something, it doesn't make it right."

How about Walking Sticks? They look like a stick and act like a stick. But they are insects.

The duck example is only good for ducks. Most everything else should be "If it walks like a ___ and talks like a ____, it Might be a ___."

Later,
Rob

 

The masses can be misguided. But it becomes a problem when it serves as an excuse. Take nazi Germany for examples (no comparison to DMOZ intended):

People knew something was going on. Maybe not exactly what was going on, but they knew something was going on. There was a combination of misguidance and not caring that enabled Hitler to do what he did (Jews were never liked over there).
When you have a lot of the same complaints come against DMOZ again and again, at what point do you wonder and want some answer from those that are your "superiors" at the ODP?

 

Yes masses can be right, they can be sort of right, and they can be wrong.

My point is...the masses are not ALWAYS right.

100% of the time nothing is ever 100% There is always a variance and exceptions to almost everything.


Later,
Rob

 

I would suggest we have a lot of very bright minds here on this forum as well as others. Since a lot of these very bright minds seem to believe that DMOZ is corrupt, there is a good possibility that this is the case.

When you have this many people screaming about the same type complaints shouldnt it suggest to all of us that there is a problem. Some of my comments are meant to be humorous and taken in that context. However I base my opinions of DMOZ off the experiences I have personally had with them.

These people on the forums that are making these claims most of them are a hell of a lot brighter than most of the DMOZ editors themselves. Is a matter of fact some of these people were or are DMOZ editors. This also includes some present editors that are still looking to make up their minds about the moral and ethical practices of DMOZ.

Looking at DMOZ from a business standpoint. If I ran a business the way they run DMOZ and treated customers the way they treat people who are applying for placement, I would be out of business.

Most of these editors NOT ALL are rude, power hungry and very childish. It kind of reminds me of my 6 year old child when he doesnt get his way with something.

As stated before DMOZ is a sinking ship and is worried about its future. Look at it this way. If the masses are not happy with DMOZ then sooner or later google as well as netscape will stand up and pay attention to this. The masses are what made DMOZ and it will be the unhappy masses that will take DMOZ down if it doesnt change. Then all those editors are more than welcome to continue to place their own sites on ODP because none of us will be interested in another worthless directory.

 

Yes, exactly! I agree with you 100%. If DMOZ really is as bad as the postings on this forum make it out to be, that is exactly what will happen, independant of the discussions on this forum. Google (and others) are not dumb. If ODP data is bad they will drop it as soon as they realise it.

If they don't drop it, then either:
a. They haven't realised it yet and will drop it in the future,
b. They have looked into it and it's not as bad as people on this forum claim.
c. They know about it and don't care. (Implying that they are corrupt too)

I agree with you completely.

 

Google is a business and as such is interested in bottom line. At present time they have a directory to counter balance yahoo directory with out costing them anything, so between the options of closing eye to DMOZ corruption or incurring the cost of their own directory, they have chosen the first alternative. from their point of view this is even more logical because they hope with further improvements in search engine technology, the directories such as DMOZ will die of natural causes.

What can force Google to action can be one of the following or combination of the below causes:

1- The criminal activity in DMOZ get more and more exposure in main stream media and portrayal of Google as partner in crime, make it too costly for them to ignore the corruption.

2- Somebody or government agency bring a legal action against DMOZ and Google and Google try to dis-associate itself from DMOZ since no public company, especially one with a fancy stock price as Google like to have a uncertainty of legal action clouds over their head.

3- A discussion about such high valued company such as Google doesn't own it's own directory and how it can effect it and the extra cost, if AOL decides to become active in this field and Deny Google the use of DMOZ

It is all about bottom line and as long as Google is not convinced that association with DMOZ can have a negative effect on it's share price, they will close their eye to it.

 

Interesting. Gworld, is this your opinion, or is this data that you have got from Google? If so, can you give some references - I would be interested in reading those.

 

Gworld,

Could you please explain to me how

What grounds are there for a lawsuit? It is just a directory. That would be like all of you getting together and trying to sue me because I wouldn't list your site in any of my link pages. I'm not a lawyer, but I can't see how you could get a court to force someone to advertise your site on their "property" at their expence of resources like bandwidth and server space etc.

Can you please explain?

Later,
Rob

 

I work with a number of sites, some are in dmoz, some not. Based on stats I see: dmoz has little effect nowadays with Google rankings.

I studied the Google patent application and came to the determination that the best strategy for a new web site is this:
1) Register your domain for 3 or more years at a time.
2) Try to get people to bookmark your pages (Google knows via the Google toolbar). People only bookmark quality sites that are useful.
3) Submit manually to a few major search engines (Yahoo, Google, MSN, etc.)
4) Submit to a few quality directories (such as http://www.worldwideweb-x.com)
5) Submit to a few social bookmarking sites: (http://www.navidir.com/tag-directory.asp)
Do not change HTML page titles frequently or ever. Only seek links where the links will remain stable and present. Links that disappear hurt you.
In effect, you need to cater to Google and Google wants sites that grow slowly and organically. High quality sites attract links with no effort.
Google is focused on detecting those that put a large amount of effort in artificial link building. Surges in new non-editorial links from untrusted sites are bad. Your link-building strategy should be ongoing forever, but at a moderate pace that is consistent over time with no surges. Perhaps a few new links a week...