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DMOZ, supposed clean up and pedophilia

Discussion in 'ODP / DMOZ' started by gworld, Oct 6, 2006.

  1. #1
    There was awhile back a thread about the support of pedophile web sites and pedophilia by DMOZ which resulted in "new guideline" after months of resisting and DMOZ "decision" to clean up it's act.
    SEMrush
    Now with many months passed, if we look in this section we will see a site with following description:

    "Modern Sexual Taboos and Their Morality - An essay that questions current moral issues surrounding masturbation, homosexuality, prostitution, nudism, Free Love, incest, zoophilia, and pedophilia."

    The following is a direct quote from the above site:

    "There are some who will draw the picture that Pedophilia is rape and nothing more. Since there are some reading who have been told nothing but that, I will quote an incident of Pedophilia...

    George was 42, outwardly warm and friendly, and all the children in the neighborhood liked him. They often went to his house to play. George gave them gifts, such as new baseball gloves. Jason was 10, handsome, and friendly. His parents had recently divorced, and he enjoyed escaping his home to George's and playing with his friends. George bought Jason a new computer game he wanted; he was the father Jason didn't have. George began sitting with his arm around Jason and becoming more physically bold. He was getting Jason com-fortable with touching. He gained Jason's trust, and started introducing him to pornography.... He suggested acting out some of the things they saw, and eventually had oral sex with Jason, where his mouth touched Jason's genitals. This is molestation, and George is a child molestor. ["Teenage Sexuality," by Michele Lee, Ph. D., page 37.]
    Though those who understand Pedophilia to be a cruel and heartless action, there is little in this example to be detested about the child molester. Was George a rapist? Did he force Jason into activity? Was he ever inconsiderate, forceful, abusive? Certainly not, and the fact that he had sex with an individual, regardless of age, does not mean that he is a bad person. In fact, most child molesters were close to their "victims." [Source: Child Lures Family Guide.] The fact remains that children are capable of making numerous decisions, and there is no reason why they ought to be disallowed from making decisions as far as sex goes. And beyond that fact lies the truth that Pedophilia is not the equivalent of rape -- that children and adults are capable, and definitely desirous in some times, of sexual contact with each other. The plea for the right to sex as a child is the same as any plea for liberty: it is based on the desire to do something that harms nobody."


    www(.)punkerslut(.)com/articles/modernsexual.html

    Is DMOZ ever going to clean up it's act or is it always going to be the directory of the worst sexual acts and underground illegal porn that no "normal porn producer" will touch with 10 foot pole? :rolleyes:
     
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    nebuchadrezzar Peon

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    You are a prime twit gworld. What you seem to be all concerned about is someone’s opinion on pedophilia in the context of a much larger discussion of “Modern Sexual Taboos and Their Morality”.
    If you think that this article is an example of one of "the worst sexual acts and underground illegal porn" you must be one of the most naive adult website owners in the world.
     
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  3. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    As a "senior" editor, you don't surprise me with your defense of a 42 year old man having oral sex with a 10 years old. I mean without a support of "senior" editors the discussion about the removal of pro-pedophilia sites that helped pedophiles to pray on children could not take months, could it? :rolleyes:

    I suppose this is the type of opinion that you consider the quality and best of the web, how about pedophile forums, would you like to list those sites too again?

    I think it is very clear that while the rest of DMOZ can not keep up with Internet, DMOZ is still one of the "best" authoritative directories for rape, torture, illegal sites, bestiality..........., somehow I doubt that was what they meant when they started DMOZ with the goal of listing the best of the web. :rolleyes:
     
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    compostannie Peon

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    Gworld, I agree that the site you're talking about shouldn't be listed in Politics_of_Sexuality because there's nothing political about it so I moved it to be reviewed, but honestly, you'd need a pretty vivid imagination to call that pedophilia.

    The article you quoted didn't defend the 42 year old man beyond saying it wasn't rape. The article said the 42 year old man was a child molester. You quoted that part, you must have seen it.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    Normalization is a process whereby behaviours and ideas are made to seem "normal" through repetition, or through ideology, propaganda, etc., often to the point where they appear natural and taken for granted.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalization_(sociology)

    Do you really think that a 42 year old man having oral sex with a 10 year old boy, does not harm the child and is normal? :rolleyes:
     
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    compostannie Peon

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    Oh please! You know I don't think it's normal or acceptable. What I said was, the article said the man is a child molester. I agree that the man is a child molester.

    ooh, twisty! This quote is so out of context that it can't possibly be used to make your point. That quote was taken from the part of the article that was talking about two underaged teens having sex with each other. The argument was that the two underaged teens having sex with each other are not raping each other.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    How do you draw this conclusion? :confused:

    My quote from the site is complete quote with no cut and paste and the author is saying that it doesn't harm anybody. Any one can read the quote and make decision about which one of us is right. If you need more proof look at this part:


    Do you need more proof than the above that this article is just another pro-pedophilia piece of shit listed in DMOZ?

    Thank you for removing it but unless you are ready to check every new listings, this web site or something similar will be back very soon. :mad:
     
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    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    That site was added more than 2 years ago (Can't give the exact date because I don't know where annie moved it to).
     
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    Going only by the quotes shown the article appears to be somehow excusing rape by quoting classic grooming techniques, which are themselves illegal in many jurisdictions. It is the skewed logic of a pedophile trying to somehow justify their sick perversion. That skewed logic could influence someone else into thinking child molestation isn't a bad thing. For that reason I would personally say such a site should not be listed in a directory that claims to list only information useful to surfers.

    What I personally find far more disturbing is that at the same time as sites such as this are listed the ODP continues to recruit child editors whilst refusing to comply with the terms of COPPA and requiring parental consent. Nor does it disclose anywhere that such sites may be listed so that parental consent could be informed.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    Even more disturbing in regard to DMOZ internal problems is the fact that the same editors who defend and list such sites will have access to underage editors through DMOZ internal forum and as fellow editors. :mad:
     
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    Sid, it was listed in March 2003 and I moved it to Test/Adult/Pedophilia unreviewed. ;)

    Brizzie, I understand the concept of grooming. I don't believe the article was talking about grooming. It said the 42 year old man (George) was a child molester. It argued that he was not a rapist.

    This article briefly discussed several topics. One of them was the concept of 2 underaged teens chosing to have sex with each other. The article argues that it could be claimed that the 2 teenagers are raping each other, but they are not because they each chose to be intimate with each other. That part was not about an adult and a child. Gworld somehow connected the 2 unrelated parts, although I find that shocking. He's usually so precise when quoting his sources. :eek:

    lorien1973, thanks for the link. The sites have been removed. :)
     
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    No, they won't. Really. Those pervs were removed long ago, now we only have to find anything that may still be lingering and all help from the Internet community is very much appreciated.

    What's disturbing to me is the fact that any editor(gworld) would post a permanent link to a perverted site in a public forum for all to see, rather than taking care of it privately. I assume you know these forum threads still come up in searchs long after the offensive link is removed from the directory? :confused:
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    The author of that site did not said that he was a child molester, the first part that describes the event is a quote from Michele Lee, Ph. D. that calls the man a child molester. The author of that site is explaining that child molester has a negative image and George is not a bad person and he was not inconsiderate for having oral sex with a child. :rolleyes:

    Why did removal of pedophile sites needed so much time and so much public pressure? Do you remember the defense and resistance to removal of such sites in internal forum? :rolleyes:

    The link is not active and any pervert that needs links to bestiality, torture, rape or pedophilia will find DMOZ soon enough instead of searching in a webmaster forum. ;)
     
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    Sorry Annie, but the first part of the quote argued that he was not a rapist because he had effectively groomed the child successfully. It is the same argument that was used in the past by men who thought that wining and dining a woman gave them the right to sex afterwards, that date rape isn't really rape because the woman had a good time beforehand.

    Two underage teens having sex is an entirely different matter and I wasn't referring to that part.

    Having made his point, perhaps gworld would be so good as to remove the link entirely.
     
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    Well I did read the article quickly, maybe I misunderstood. I thought the author said George was a child molester. If that's the case, then I apologize.

    Gworld, if you find any other bad links left from perverted removed editors, please let me know right away. We both want them gone. It's just not possible for one person to review every listing. Ok?
     
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    Bingo!

    That's why brizzie is an ex-editor and people like neb are still editing. Brizzie gets it. Neb doesn't.
     
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    Taking one paragraph (or portion) of an essay out of context of the essay can make it appear that the author is condoning the act being written of. However, in the very next paragraph - which is part of the conclusion - the author writes:
    I interpret this to mean that the author does not believe that either zoophilia or pedophilia are normal behaviors and that the taboos surrounding them are appropriate.

    The incident quoted was a citation from a published book, college level, which I'd hazard the typical psychologist has seen during his/her studies, http://product.ebay.com/Teenage-Sexuality_ISBN_185435616X_W0QQfvcsZ1392QQsoprZ1134042

    IMO Bad things happen in this world - to ignore them (when presented in an academic environment like this essay) is to potentially encourage them to happen again.
     
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    Now I guess gworld and minstrel will be organizing a good old fashioned book burning.
     
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    Are you really that stupid? The author of that site has quoted the incident from the book and then continues to disagrees with the author of the book that child molestation is bad or the pedophile (George) has done anything wrong.

    I wonder if one day they arrange an ass kissing competition, who will win, you or lmocr.

    The author of the web site is disagreeing with Michele Lee, the author of the book about the dangers of child molestation and thinks that it is OK for adult to have sex with a child.
    I am sure that you won't care one way or another since the first time the issue of pedophile sites came up, you were defending those sites too.
    Is it possible for you to be honest for once and tell us if there is anything and I mean anything that you hesitate to do or say in order to satisfy your ambitions of advancement in DMOZ? Your total lack of any kind of moral fiber is simply amazing.
     
    gworld, Oct 6, 2006 IP