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DMOZ Supports Child Porn?

Discussion in 'ODP / DMOZ' started by dvduval, Jan 26, 2006.

  1. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #161
    I take your advice and won't be negative and instead be very positive. :D

    1- It is just by mistakes that hundreds of links for the same porn affiliate site are listed in DMOZ and it is no fault of DMOZ editors.

    2- It is just by mistake that title and description of sites are written in a way that attracts pedophiles and not editors fault.

    3- It is just by mistake that these site won't get deleted independent of how much negative PR it generates for DMOZ and how many editors are against it.

    There is no conspiracy and there is no power structure that wants these listings, only some editors who by mistake link to the same site 100 times and by mistake get affiliate checks. Obviously we can not blame editors for such simple mistakes and fault them or DMOZ for it.

    I feel much better now that I have positive attitude, in fact from now on, I am not going to hold anyone accountable for anything they do because everything in life just happens by mistake. ;)SEMrush
     
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  2. ly2

    ly2 Peon

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    #162
    All people want is a fair shake. The editors list hundreds and even thousands of their pages but sometimes a non-editor can't get a listing no matter how nice his page is.

    It's just not fair, and DMOZ holds so much weight with Google it really effects peoples lives.

    There is a simple way to handle some of this. After a site is approved, it is then sent to a random editor for second approval. If it gets the second OK, then it gets listed. Now what in the world is so hard about that? That would really cut down on the fraud alot IMO.
     
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  3. SiteExpress

    SiteExpress Well-Known Member

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    #163
    Although it is apparent that many of the listings that have been exposed in this thread should not be listed, leave alone be available to society, there is still a process that must be done in order to investigate the sites.

    Like any big business, everything has to be done in a methodical manner. Maybe DMOZ will delist the sites, and maybe they won't, but the point is, nobody would want their site delisted without some sort of investigation. In no way do I think sites like this should be listed, but I still respect the idea that there has to be an objective and mature process by which they should be investigated and proven unfit before permanent action is taken.

    The great thing about this thread is that it had proven that there is a severe problem inside DMOZ. Whether it be corruption or just simply poor management, listings like these have somehow managed to be placed there, and allowed to flourish. If it were just one or two sites, it could be discounted as just poor editing, but that isn't the case. There are many of these sites, and that shows that someone, somewhere in DMOZ approves of them, and even endorses them.
     
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  4. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #164
    Actually multiple editors DO have to approve sites. There are checks and balances there. It's not like an editor can just list any site they want at any time, anywhere. It does not work that way. List a site in a wrong category, or approve a site without properly editing it, believe me, another editor will catch you and correct it.

    In any event, what you suggest, already takes place. I am not sure how that is a solution.
     
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  5. Homer

    Homer Spirit Walker

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    #165
    <rant>I really can't believe the degree of corruption here. I admin to 100 + sites and have submitted them all to DMOZ over the past few years...3 measly listings. I guess I should start developing child porn sites to get a listing :rolleyes:.
    This is corruption at the highest level...if that isn't blatantly obvious. They would be better to get rid of these 'corrupt' editors...maybe even clear the deck and go with algos, at least the decision making process would be more consistant and fair to the webmaster community</rant>

    Minstrel, your question is key to this thread. Can any DMOZ editor/ admin explain that? What I have learned from this thread is quite disturbing and provides more clarity for me, now I understand why almost none of my sites get a DMOZ listing. It seems submission guidelines have underlying issues that stem from editor's own interests. If we agree on that, then we must also assume that these 'corrupt' editors will accept bribes for a listing :mad:.

    When you look at the relationship the major ses have with DMOZ it becomes even more bothersome!
     
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  6. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #166
    Don't be so negative. Get on with positive attitude program. Give some love to DMOZ editors. They are human and makes mistakes. I understand that you can be upset when editor repeats the mistake 160 times on 1 site but it is just a simple mistake, who cares.

    I feel much better now with my positive attitude. :D :D
    Join in forgiving DMOZ editors "simple" mistakes and show some love for them. :D :D
     
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  7. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #167
    I'm not sure what's worse. Your constant delusional episodes of complete and utter paranoia and conspiracy theories, or the sarcasm and disrespect you now show after you were scolded. Personally I don't think there is any "credibility" to worry about losing. You've got none.
     
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  8. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #168
    For those who are not aware of why mia posts here, once in a time there were couple of bigot stooges posting in general discussion defending the killing of civilians and anything else that Bush government did and posting their racial hate propaganda about killing all Arabs because they are terrorists and all Muslims are rapists.

    I started posting that their racial hate propaganda was wrong and there are bad people in every culture, race and religion. Other posters joined in and effectively put an end to hatred propaganda posting by these bigot stooges.
    Since that time, mia follows me from thread to thread independent of if it is about DMOZ, forum posting,...and posts his nonsense.

    But I am my positive attitude mode now, so I am sure mia stalking me and posting these nonsense is just a simple mistake and I would like to show him my love.

    I love you, bro, no matter how big of a bigot you are. :D :D :D
     
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    brizzie Peon

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    #169
    The problems you have referred to in Adult, not in this thread, have been investigated and some of them were caused by abusive editors as you have been told before, not mistakes, and those editors who were proven corrupt were removed. Not even orlady would deny the existence of historical problems with editor abuse in Adult. Other matters are the result of poor guidelines and poor maintenance. And the latter is related to only a very small handful of editors willing to edit in Adult categories. There is no proof of corruption amongst serving editors in Adult. So continually peddling that line when editor after editor has looked into it and found no case to answer with regard to corruption amongst serving editors means legitimate points can get dismissed along with the crap. If you stick to stuff for which there is absolute undeniable proof, such as the existence of the child rape supporters category, it has to be taken seriously.

    You have to be kidding me. I thought your other conspiracy theories were far-fetched.

    Meta editors process editor applications and there are hundreds of them. To remove an editor takes consensus of at least 5 meta editors. Removing an editall or above requires consensus of the Administrators. In other words difficult.

    I have strongly criticized the Adult branch internally and externally, before retiring as an editor, and in this thread. Should I request reinstatement I would expect it to be granted. I don't think people realise that within DMOZ, whilst there are some taboos, the discussion can be as heated as any forum on the Internet. Some internal threads make everything on this forum appear distinctly tame. And people are not ejected for having strong opinions. At least not in my time as an editor. I am sure some former colleagues are pleased with my departure - cans of worms were my specialty. But that hasn't been the general feedback I got when I left, quite the reverse. Even from those I disagreed strongly with. You would have thought, given the great conspiracy theory, they would have thrown a party.

    As for financial interests, since my sole gain as an editor was half a dozen beers waiting for me on another continent when I sorted some problems out, I don't expect an impact on my bank account. Which is the same position as the vast majority of editors.
     
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    #170
    Yea but I am talking about the submissions getting sent to a RANDOM editor for the second OK. Not getting sent to someone they know and edit with.
     
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    anthonycea Banned

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    #171
    That is true, Mia defends the Republican side and this personal war is being carried over from other threads.

    I think we just need to let each other post at this time, Gworld is a great poster and has some good ideas.

    We can get the thread back on track now :eek:
     
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  12. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #172
    Here we go again.. Can you stay on topic for once Gworld? Like I said, no credibility.

    Both of you apparently have nothing better to do than personally attack me.

    What on earth politics has to do with this thread is beyond me. Try to be adults for once. That's all I have on the subject. Now can we actually stay on topic?
     
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #173
    I was about to say the same thing.

    What you are missing, gworld, is that there is a principle here that goes beyond whether you or I or anyone else likes or dislikes particular DMOZ editors or even all DMOZ editors, and you are doing a disservice to the defense of that principle by globally attacking everyone in sight who is associated with DMOZ - that serves only to give the Adult editors more ammunition to dismiss the points we are trying to make in this thread.
     
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    brizzie Peon

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    #174
    [Bangs head against wall several times. Off to clean up the blood and apply bandage (in reverse order)]

    There are hundreds of millions of listable sites - call it 500,000,000 for ease of calculation. There are 5,000,000 sites listed in DMOZ and about 20,000 added monthly. What are your chances of getting a site listed in DMOZ? Less than the 3% you have. Sorry, I would do the calculation but the headache is severe. Remember that submitting a site does not give it any greater priority than the 500,000,000 other sites that are listable. The fault is that the submission form does not tell you that and it should, so you don't get any false expectations. But what that has to do with the existence of a pedophile supporters category I have no idea.
     
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    EveryQuery Well-Known Member

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    #175
    I think it goes to the heart of the matter, which is alot of editors are there simply to list their own sites, and line their own pockets rather wade through the millions of listable sites that await someone, ANYONE, to actually take time to review them.
     
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  16. Homer

    Homer Spirit Walker

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    #176
    brizzie, I want to ask a silly question if you don't mind! This question has NO sarcastic intent, I am truly ignorant of the motivation:

    Why does a DMOZ editor become a DMOZ editor? I mean what's in it for you? My understanding is that it is very time consuming.

    I would regard myself as a hardcore webmaster devoting much of my time to my online ventures. This is very time consuming, I couldn't imagine adding the task of being a DMOZ editor to my daily itinerary...for NO RIO?

    I am certain I am missing something here, but I would love to know what motivates one to become a DMOZ editor :confused:.


    Interesting watching the Google Adlinks, I am seeing GAY, GAY MAGAZINES, GAY...just a silly observation :D.
     
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    EveryQuery Well-Known Member

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    #177
    CherryBoys ads by any chance? :rolleyes:
     
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    #178
    Sort of looked like you were the one doing the attacking to me Mia, what I stated was not an attack but the truth!

    Yeah, get back on topic Mia!
     
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    EveryQuery Well-Known Member

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    #179
    http://search.dmoz.org/cgi-bin/search?search=cherryboys.com&all=yes&cs=UTF-8&cat=Adult

    All 61 listings still showing. It appears it not only takes years to add a site, but ages to remove one as well. To all those active DMOZ editors that actually care about the concerns brought up in this thread, you guys need to find a way to change the structure of your little club. Without a particular "someone in charge" who runs the whole show, you will have only corruption and anarchy.
     
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    brizzie Peon

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    #180
    The search function is not updated in real time - once every couple of weeks. The public version of the data is also behind real time - anything up to a couple of days. At the same time, given the matter needs to be discussed and, if agreed that the sites need to be removed it will take time to resource that, I would expect anything up to a month before anything is visible. The thing is there may be many more UGAS affiliates there that have not been identified here and the changes may be more wholesale than anyone might imagine.
     
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