DMOZ Supports Child Porn?

Thank you for that reminder, Annie.

I do believe that there are certain editors who would prefer that the issue simply go away quietly, as I said above. It's important that we not allow that to happen.

 

In most canned DMOZ responses we are told it is at the sole discretion of the editor to include, edit or delete listings.

Or at least that is the response for non-inclusion, editing or removal of a real estate site.

Are we to believe that Real Estate sites are held to a higher standard at DMOZ than child porn sites?

As I have stated in other forums, it is easier now to get an Adult site listed in DMOZ than a real estate site unfortunately.

As a former DMOZ editall (mackm) I am genuinely embarrassed by this thread. All child pornography should be deleted NOW, not discussed or debated in DMOZ’s private editor forum.

While the main stream liberal press may not pick up on this, Fox News may stumble across this thread. The press would NOT be kind to AOL or Google for their DMOZ affiliation IMHO.

~VegasMack

 

An excellent post, VegasMack! Thank you.

 

No minstrel, thank you, gworld and the other DP Members that are keeping the heat on.

This is an extremely important issue that deserves a proactive stance.

~VegasMack

 

Thanks guys. The issues have been heard and read. Whatever the outcome is, your points have already been stated very clearly. Thanks all for the contributions.

What we can do right now is to wait for it. If it comes out and it does not conform to your standards then the very least is that there are improvements and changes being done. It might not be a radical change but it is a start.

Thanks again guys.

 

Could you try to enlighten me about the sense of your post?
Are you trying to become the master of ceremonies here at DP?

 

I am just trying to calm everybody down and if that is a no-sense then....what is.

Oh no certainly not, what I'm doing is trying to clarify that not all eds are evil, can't understand a simple explanation being given, most of all whatever is out there these guys here will know that honest eds still exists. Probably and most probably a misconception about DMOZ and what it stands for can be passed on. Can't do that by always being evil. Civil, not arrogant, can work with other people thru meaningful discussions especially an outside forum.

We claim to be Human Editors. But do most of us act as one.
Oh, the ODP is important that is why we are to act like supremes. Not me. I'm just your lowly editor guy. You see we are being branded as the most hated people on earth already. Jim Noble, the best Meta I know was included in the this issue and was vilified for his good deeds. There are more editors that are Human Editors and helpful like Jim Noble. I think we deserve to be there. And this is just one way the public will know besides being human and a supplier of public data.

 

Pooptalk;

At least you could have read this thread before making stupid comment, the personal attacks have been tried by 2 idiots before you just in this thread and it has not worked, why do you think that you can make it work? Find a new way to kiss ass in DMOZ.

Well through the public pressure and the help of everyone (almost everyone) in this thread we succeeded to remove pedophilia forum and directories and I hope you agree that I have played a small role in this thread.
On the other hand, you as mighty DMOZ editor tried to move the same categories to test and Metas and Admins spanked your ass and put back the listings in DMOZ. I think you can see that working from outside was more productive than you working from inside.

Thank you all mighty fathom but I think we are old enough to know what is useful or not and what threads we like to participate in.

You must be kidding me, after all the DMOZ editors joining DP to defend DMOZ, I think DP has more editors as a members than RZ. I can count 4-5 new members just from this thread. I think if the editors discover that there is a forum that they can participate without censor , soon DP will have 7000 new members.

There are no live links to pedophile sites in this thread, only live links to DMOZ categories, but if you are so concerned about live links to pedophiles and child molestation sites then how about removing it from DMOZ? OOPS, I forgot, you can't.

I am so touched by your "concern" for DP and this forum, we should all send PM to Shawn to put fathom on his Christmas card list.

That is great, trying to scare members by threat of FBI that they should not participate in this thread. Since all of the links mentioned in this thread are listed in DMOZ, are you suggesting any user of DMOZ that click on DMOZ listed links will become a felon and will be interviewed by FBI? Is this part of "highly selective quality content" that DMOZ mentions in it's social contract, click on our links and become a felon.

 

I understand, that you enjoy editing, so do I. Untill now, nobody branded me being one of "the most hated people on earth".
For heavens sake, I hope you did not have to make this experience yourself!?

 

Oh no not at all. But you know who they are. You can even read some in this Forum.

Congratulations then. We are part of it.

 

No thank you, pooptalk. I am sure the majority of posters here feel the same way as I do that when I was growing up as boy, I was dreaming about the day that my posting be read and heard by an Almighty DMOZ editor. This is the happiest day of our lives for many of us in DP and just the thought of DMOZ admins discussing an issue that was brought up by us, will fill our soul with ever lasting happiness.

But if you expect us to just wait and be quite so pedophiles can have their listing, I just have one answer for you, the Almighty editor:

FORGET ABOUT IT.

 

pooptalk A more traditional version.

gay world in reality. The more reason that wanted to talk about pedophiles a lot.

 

DMOZ editors are not hated for being DMOZ editors.

The ones that are hated are hated for being power hungry sycophants to whom self-promotion and toeing the party line is far more important than doing the right thing - those who take delight in deriding individuals who try to question the self-styled DMOZ gods about the status of a submission not because those individuals deserve that treatment but simply because they are able to hide behind the anonymity of DMOZ deification and insult the quivering masses from the safety of the inner sanctum.

If you are not one of those editors, we don't hate you.

Sorry. I don't have sufficient confidence in DMOZ Adult editors or DMOZ Admins to be optimistic about any non-forced outcome. Were it not for the efforts of people like gworld, do you honestly think anything would have changed? If you do, I must say I think you are either hopelessly naive or hopelessly corrupted.

Whatever has happened to date or may happen in the future to correct the criminal and immoral travesty that is DMOZ Adult will not be because of the good faith of those editors or admins but solely because of the negative publicity generated by its critics.

 

(Echoing Minstrel) It is not going to stop ‘till the child pornography is removed from DMOZ.

Where are Bill O'Reilly and Shawn Hannity when you need them?

~VegasMack

 

Minstrel and others,

Admins _are_ editors, ones with clout and lots of experience. Any assumption that admins talking amongst themselves is somehow excluding editors is wrong.

 

I think the implication from some of your colleagues is exactly the opposite - that those "editors with clout, aka admins" are only talking to other "editors with clout, aka admins".

So which is it? Are the other editors mistaken? or is this another form of semantic smokescreening?

 

You are stating that editors are not excluded, so what is the topics of discussion? Is it about legality of sites and in what jurisdiction the legality should be considered? Is it about morality and making a decision on how to decide to list any controversial site if it is deemed as having social value? How many Admins are for and how many are against listing pedophile sites? What are the arguments for listing pedophile sites?

Do you know the answers or are you going to give us the canned DMOZ answers that DMOZ is like CIA and NSA, part of National security and everything is so secret, that is for eye only and anybody hearing about the answers to these questions has to be killed?

Please don't give us that other BS answer about knowing about these things is going to help the evil webmaster spammers, not that many people have "AFFIRMATIVE VIEW" and run pedophile sites and it seems most of those sites are already listed in DMOZ.

 

Sadly, this is not true. Before I was forced to become familiar with this topic I would have agreed with you, but since this discussion has been going on I have looked at the listed sites and have followed the links on those sites. I'm shocked at how many are actually out there. The dmoz listings are only a tiny drop in a very large bucket.

I would be in favor of listing all of them and those they link to, and so on, in a category called People_Who_Need_To_Be_Shot ...but that would be an illegal category so I won't mention it.

 

Are you saying that you know about the discussions and you can't say because of the danger of SPAM? I hope this is not your answer because we both know it is not true.

Most of those sites are the little children of the mother organization which is listed in DMOZ, so do not worry. DMOZ makes sure that other sites can be found through the original listings.

How long the legality has ever stopped DMOZ?

 

Nope, you completely misunderstood me.

I'm saying that I am absolutely horrified after following links and learning that there are so many people running pedophile sites. It sickens me. I'm saying that the dmoz listings are at the top of the list, because they are most easily dealt with, but if we think it's over once they're gone we're kidding ourselves.

Once the listings are removed from dmoz, how do we deal with the much larger issue of all those predators' sites? How can we protect our children, beyond deleting a dmoz listing? We all know a dmoz listing isn't that important to the success of a website, and these sites will still be there.