DMOZ Supports Child Porn?

According to DMOZ they list quality sites, so it can argued that a listing in DMOZ is a form of advertising for such sites which is misdemeanor according to previous law case that I provided. That is the reason that even newspapers or magazines will not accept advertisement for such sites.

 

Just in case any of you missed the news, read this post and the entire thread so you can see for yourself how the government is coming down on all the search engines!

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=613724&postcount=136

This is an industry issue, way over the heads of DMOZ editors.....

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the thing is gworld, quality is not related to legality or morality, no matter how much people like minstrel sqwawk about 'DMOZ saying it only lists the best sites, and it lists porn zomg!!'. Quality per se is assessed from an objective point of view: would this site be of use to somebody looking for sites about the subject, yes/no? So bearing that in mind, DMOZ is doing exactly what it says it is doing, even by listing questionable sites.

However in my opinion and that of pretty much every other editor, there are other factors to take into account (and that regularly are), like legality, morality, and so on. It's just more pragmatic if we fall more in line with 'Politically Correct' standpoints, irrespective of law - or even morality! Depressing broken-spirited I know, but to be honest what more could you expect of someone who has been repeatedly told by YOU he and his fellow editors are self-interested corrupt pedophiles yadayadayada...

 

OK Bradley, since you want to justify what quality is please justify these listings!


Aaba Outdoor Sex Heaven - Pictures of couples and threesomes in the great outdoors.
Abrelle's Outdoor Sex Pics - Soft and hardcore pictures of women posing and getting fucked.
Active Hardcore Sex - Photos of a couple fucking each other outside on a towel.
All Fun in the Sun - Pictures of public nudity, including some hardcore interracial action.
Amateur Wife Sex on Horse Back - Features hardcore action on horseback and blowjob pictures.
Amateurs Outdoors - Features women posing nude and couples fucking.
Backyard Free Porn Pics - Pictures of couples fucking by the pool.
Beach Babes Fucking - Photos of girls posing naked outdoors and getting fucked.
A Beautiful Babes Outdoor Sex - Free hardcore gallery in the swimming pool, garden and camp.
Best Hardcore Sex - Galleries of a couple fucking each other by the pool.
Big Tits Hardcore - Photos of a buxom blonde fucking her man.
Couple Outdoor - Pictures of various couples fucking outside.
Finger Fucking Fun's Raw Sex Pics - Features a couple making love in the desert.
Fishy Pictures - A collection of pictures with nude women fishing.
Free Blow Job Galleries - Pictures of a redhead sucking a guy's cock on the beach.
Free Porn Pics - Pictures on a brunette getting fucked outside by the pool.
Free Porn Thumbnails - Brunette woman fucking and sucking on top of a cliff, and a blonde takes on two men.
Free Voyeur Web - Pictures of two girls fucking with a guy in the woods.
Fresh Erotic Porn - A biker couple have a hardcore session in a field.
Fuck Pictures - A collection of pictures featuring anal and blow jobs.
Hardcore Fucking Pictures - Photos of couples having fun outside.
Hardcore Fucking Pictures - Redhead fucks with her man on the lakeshore, and gives him a blowjob.
Hardcore Outdoor Sex Pictures - Straight couples and lesbians fucking each other outside.
Hardcore Outdoors - Photos of girls posing nude and getting fucked outside.
Hardcore Porn Pictures - Photos depicting people fucking in some very tranquil settings.
Hardcore Sex Photos - A girl gets an ass, pussy, and mouthful of cock from two guys at the beach.
Kalifornication - Photos of two blonde lesbians making out by the pool.

 

I didn't say it is about quality or what kind. I only stated that if it is argued that listing in DMOZ is a form of advertising, DMOZ and editors can be charged with misdemeanor.

That was the old me, I am all love and hug guy now. You can ask brizzie and to prove it, here is love and hug for you.

In my previous post, I divided the issues in 2 parts, does any of editors like to answer those questions?

 

Time for me to give up for the day but I will answer a question posed earlier about where the line is.

Anything dealing with sex and children needs to treated with the utmost care and caution ... Context and intent are necessary considerations ... While the Open Directory has a place for all topics, and makes every effort to be all inclusive, sites that overtly sexualize children in a vague or inappropriate context or manner should not be added.

Given the source, that, in the absence of contradictory guidelines, is current DMOZ policy. And seems to be being ignored. I believe that this covers sites that advocate or discuss sex with children - it is inappropriate to say the least. But does not cover sites that provide objective information on the condition. In other words sites that describe pedophilia and even state the existence of advocates of the practice are useful resources, sites that advocate, support, defend or encourage the practice by overt reference or under the guise of being a support group (read networking) are unacceptable, regardless of legalities.

 

Interesting.

I was away for a few hours. Bradley and Obfuscator posted a lot more Resource Zone bullshit and bafflegab. Bradley came out in support of DMOZ continuing to promote porn sites. And Brizzie came back one more time with the voice of sanity and reason... and no one could dispute what he had to say about the issue.

I think that gives all of us a glimpse into the future of DMOZ. Those with a conscience and a real sense of what is right, illegal or not illegal, will leave, as brizzie did. Those who remain will be the Obfuscators and the Bradleys who actually think promoting pornography and "affirmative views" of child rape is consistent with the goals of DMOZ, and a number of others like jimnoble who will choose to hang on to their positions within the DMOZ hierarchy and to remain silent.

There will still be a few like pagode and compostannie and vulcano who will hope in vain that decent folk with principles will eventually prevail, but eventually they too will despair and leave.

I would like to be wrong about this vision but sadly I doubt that I am.

 

What is surprising for me is the fact that after this thread, more and more people are seeing and discussing the small power group in DMOZ that nobody was admitting to or believe in before this.

Very interesting development.

 

I never thought I'd see the day when the posts on digitalpoint were making more sense to me than the posts on ODP...

 

This is a good forum, it has been for quite a while, it is open to all opinions and is not censored

 

You are not alone, I am sure many of other editors who silently read this thread, will agree with you 110%.

To those who are silent; don't forget that to endorse a despicable act by silence and not taking stand is as bad as committing it.

 

We all look, none of us are angels, but there is a point of taking things too far when it negatively affects other people.

We can all do better, so can DMOZ, AOL, GOOGLE, YAHOO, MSN and the entire industry, this is an industry issue, not just a DMOZ issue!

If the industry does not police itself, the government will step in and take our freedoms from us, it always happens that way and always will.

 

No, it's not. But the the people of Microsoft, Google, and Yahoo who could change things don't visit this forum or post here. If we thought Bill Gates actually read our posts here, believe me he would catch Hell oon alot more shit than what DMOZ is catching.

 

I got news for you, all of the companies you mention have people reading your comments on this forum!

 

You are wrong about pretty much every statement you have made on the ODP in this forum. What exactly is YOUR beef with the ODP? Perhaps you'd like to share this, and explain your personal history with the ODP? What exactly has been your positive contribution?

Again, someone comes along (Bradley) and posts something that you don't agree with, so you tear into them. You are nothing but a schoolyard bully, pushing your own personal agenda. You have no respect for the point of view of others, and are completely unable to enter into any kind of meaningful debate with other human beings.

Minstrel, you talk nothing but self-justifying bullshit. You are not interested in the issues here. You are interested in YOUR personal gripe with the ODP.

 

Can you point me to some sources that would backup your vision.
The last thing I have seen is that Google said 'No' when they were asked for information about searche activities. Which is the oppositie as you are wanting us to believe.
Official references please.

 

Ah, the ODP-AOL-TW Cabal of Pedophiles?

And I suppose you blame the same cabal for not listing your sites? Gworld, it is time for YOU to be honest about your motives here. For you to continue to make posts claiming that you are trying to protect the innocent is quite shocking, when it's perfectly clear that you too have a personal agenda with the ODP.

 

Well people around here will know I am not exactly a fan of gworld's conspiracy theories. But what do personal agendas have to do with the right or wrong of the issues. Gworld seems to have put an awful lot of research and work into making his points and backing them up, much more than some editors posting here seem to have done. I am disappointed that a small number of editors seem to think it is clever to attack the person rather than address the arguments. The questions get too difficult so undermine the person making them. And all that does is make DMOZ look like it doesn't have the answers. Which it might not have but then the most sensible answer is to admit that. You could argue that the personal focus is tit for tat. Difference is you are representing DMOZ here and should be above that. I know, the guidelines say you are representing yourself and your opinions are your own but coming here as an editor reflects back on DMOZ inevitably. And because the founders knew that your behaviour here is governed by guidelines:

whereas other posters here are not bound by the same rules.

You could do no better than to follow the example set by pagode and sidjf - neither of them have capitulated and gone over to the dark side but they do conduct themselves professionally as unaccredited and unofficial ambassadors.

 

Like I said, you are way behind the curve on this issue, it is above the editors head as I mentioned and the decision will be taken out of your hands and is not in your control.

If you can't put two and two together based on current news that is your problem!

Just because Google said "no" does not mean that they are not working to remove offending sites from the index as you all are right now!

Maybe you should get an official response from Larry and Sergey, but I doubt they would tell you what they are doing right now!

Maybe you should sit around and "wait for an official response" from the CEO of AOL, it will be like watching Donald Trump's show where he says those two words to those responsible at DMOZ.....

You're Fired

 

Simply because you cannot engage in a debate on the issues, or an exploration of the facts when there are a group of people who are using those issues as an excuse to pursue their own personal agenda.

The issues have become a vehicle for certain people to use in their vendetta. against the ODP. They do not care about the issues at hand. In some cases the people who are jumping on this bandwagon should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. It is utterly wrong and morally repugnant to take delicate and sensitive issues such as these and to twist them for their own personal gain. But that is what is happening.

There are plenty of people posting here with valid concerns. Some even have a long standing gripe with the ODP, but they do seem genuinely concerned about this topic. It's just a shame that they can't be heard over the endless bleatings from Minstrey, Anthony and Gworld.