Ahh... thanks for the clarification. Interesting how an organization that actually HAS some organization is able to respond to issues like this.
Those sites that Minstrel pointed out (post # 583) with multiple listings are poor quality, it is plain to see someone got paid to give that many listings to so many terrible sites! Man I wish those were dead links in that post too, guess who will be visiting soon?
Wisdom? You call what he says wisdom? He has no real argument, so he's just copying-and-pasting from psych books in order to try to try to justify himself. Minstrel is motivated by a hatred of the ODP, and his primary response to anyone who disagrees with them is to make snide remarks and to belittle his opposition.. he never actually seems to engage in a debate. Call that wisdom? I call it pathetic. Your tinfoil hat is slipping. Why are you obsessed with a show on NBC? If you were really concerned about the content of those sites, then you should do something about it. As it is, you seem to be concerned about some TV program or other. Strange. Hah, and now the DPers are turning on each other. Obviously the poster wasn't "aligned" with Minstrel enough.
http://digg.com/links/DMOZ_editors_in_support_of_Child_Porn_ Oddly enough the responses there, in contradiction of the universal condemnation here, seem predominantly to support the continued listing of the category and sites. On anti-censorship grounds. I thought they were missing the point. There is a difference between giving factual information about pedophilia, even referring to cultures where it was considered normal, and listing sites where child rapists get together and network. "They have the right to talk about whatever they want." and "There is no argument that can be pro censorship and pro 1st amendment at the same time." It is interesting to see a counter-argument no matter how feeble, and perhaps it is something similar that is holding DMOZ up, but from it arises a few more points. The "free speech" argument is a peculiarly US one and reference to the 1st Amendment shows that. But incitement and conspiracy laws are common in most other countries on a wide range of subjects. That isn't to say that all Americans believe free speech is unlimited, but proponents of unlimited free speech are almost exclusively American. If you accept that statement then DMOZ has to consider that it is not an exclusively American project - most editors and most users are not American, do not come from a culture where the ability to say anything regardless of content is acceptable. Most other nations have long since accepted that words and text can be as harmful as actions in that they are a precursor to actions. So the "free speech" argument holds little water outside the US and is incomprehensible to most non-US citizens. And when it comes to free speech on a subject as abhorent as letting pedophiles network and convince each other that what they do is perfectly OK it is not only incomprehensible, it is grossly offensive. There are likely a huge number of Americans who also find it offensive and believe a line must be drawn somewhere but who will be used to political debate on free speech so can at least understand the argument. If the category is allowed to stay in any form DMOZ will lose a lot of editors and if the reasoning for allowing it to stay exclusively relies on an exclusively American political argument it will be all the sadder. On the other hand if the category is removed and a couple of anti-censorship editors feel the need to leave then so be it, they clearly had not realised they were working in an International environment.
You say Minstrel attacks the opposition and his posts have no relevance, but then you say I am wearing a tin foil hat to justify your porn listings. I guess Gworld is on target when he calls you a paid editor that takes money and benefits from the porn links on DMOZ or you would not be here defending them, it looks to me that you are a major fraud, you are part of this problem, not part of any solution! What's wrong, did the TV Show bother you like this thread does I guess you don't like the attention, but attacking Minstrel is not going to help your cause coward!
Heheh.. I've struck a nerve with you, haven't I? You know every single accusation you three (Minstrel, Gworld, Anthonycea) has been answered in this thread. But you won't engage in a meaningful debate, you just keep pumping out the same disinformation and speculation. So, you end up resorting to calling people corrupt pedophiles in order to try and justify your increasingly untenable point of view. Gee, I bet you'll be comparing ODP editors to Hitler next.
You're the one that has nothing to offer but personal attacks, you attacked all of the main posters, Digital Point forums too! Why not just admit that you really are Minstrel groupie Jim Noble http://forums.digitalpoint.com/member.php?u=5175 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ah, well I may have been a little unfair. I realise now that DP does not revolve around Minstrel, Gworld and yourself. You just think it does.
Ah so I'm Jim Noble now, eh? Go on.. accuse Jim of being a corrupt pedophile. Go on.. I guess your contact details can be found on your domains, just so we know where to file the paperwork.
I'm not sure what questions you've answered but let me point you to a couple that you haven't: What is your association with the examples of multiply listed pages from the same websites that have been identified in this thread, "Deobfuscator" (ironic name, that, given what you actually have been doing here)?
They should just call him the "Defraudinator" because this guy is a major fraud true to his colors! Now he is going to take the contact information off of my domains and file charges against me, what an asshole! Identify yourself coward!
I said all the questions have been answered. I did not say that I answered them. And because I've rumbled your little game, Minstel, you too are accusing me of being part of the mythical ODP/AOL Kiddie Porn Cabal that rules over the Open Directory Project and who's sole aim is to convert the world into pedophiles. You've really run out of steam on this one haven't you? Perhaps you need to do some more copy-and-pasting from one of your books to fill out a couple more posts, eh?
I am simply warning you that if you continue to make your rash accusations AND make them against identifiable individuals, then you will be committing libel. You are skating on very thin ice. Perhaps you should engage your brain a little before you make another post of that nature.
Dude, I said you need an extra layer of tinfoil for your hat. Prove that I am *not* Jim Noble? Easy.. I'm Elvis Presley!
Looks like you can give it out, but you can't take it. As I said, if you want a serious debate on some of the issues (and there are some people here who have raised valid points) then you'd be best off taking it elsewhere.
Like RZ ..... (you can censor comments there, right?) I am going to take it somewhere, straight to the district attorneys office in New York City! What is your real name again