I can understand letting everyone have their say on a particular topic. BUT, letting certain people have their say on certain topics could cause serious harm to others. Sites advocating pedophilia and stating that "nothing is wrong with it" may be all that's needed to send someone over the edge who has been contemplating child rape. Sites advocating suicide and promoting the "best" methods to commit suicide may be all that's needed for a disturbed teen to go ahead and end his/her life. I know it's not very democratic, but in my opinion, these people shouldn't be allowed to express such views. As an editor, would you want to list such sites and eventually find out some child was raped by a man who got into "pedophilia" through that listing on DMOZ, or hear about some 16 year girl used that suicide method being promoted by that site you listed? It's a matter or principles. You either have them or you don't.
No...a debate would involve both sides explaining their view point. I told you why I thought that there was a place for select sites in http://dmoz.org/Adult/Society/Sexuality/Activities_and_Practices/Pedophilia/Affirmative_Views/ - All you said was that you didn't like it. That's not a debate. Give me a well thought out, rationalized arguement for not listing sites that meet the requirements listed in my previous posts. Then we can have a debate.
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where the freedom of another person starts, mine ends. Pedophilia is not about freedom of speech or personal life style and choices. It is about taking advantage and hurting young people/children that by virtue of their age can not protect themselves. Anytime a person decides to cross the boundary of personal freedom and effectively destroy another person freedom and the right to safety, he/she gives up his/her right to freedom and that is the reason such actions is not tolerated by society or law even when they try to disguise it as freedom. I see that many DMOZ editors read this thread but they do not disagree with posting such sites in DMOZ, I suppose being member of the club is more important than children's safety.
And you just keep piling that BS higher and higher around you minstrel. I'm coming to the conclusion that some of you have reading disabilities. I said: I didn't say that we don't list them. Once again, some of you have to resort to twisting my words in order to make a valid arguement. Are you afraid to let my real words stand up against your words in an honest debate, or is there another explanation for the constant twisting of words here?
I didn't say that you said that I said you didn't! (<----think I screwed that sentence up!) LOL! So don't twist my words around.
I agree 110%, gworld! I'm glad we can both agree that pedophilia is a terrible thing and should not be tolerated. We aren't discussing the freedom to act on pedophilia though. We are discussing the freedom for a person to say that they believe pedophilia should not be illegal. it's called the Freedom of Speech, not the Freedom to Do.
All I can say is that with the comments that are being made you know who has children and who doesnt. I believe once you enter parenthood your views seem to change from, what is best for me verses what is best for my child. I could not imagine ANYONE who has kids agreeing with any part of the adult sections and mostly the ones exposed here. I think each Dmoz editor should ask themselves, would this be something I would want my child or younger brother or sister exposed to. Freedom of speech has its limits. Sometimes we have to go beyond our givens rights and think for ourselves. Sometimes this causes us to have to make hard decisions about our freedoms. Our freedoms are based on public perceptions that are passed on to the public servants whom we elect. Based on whom we have elected they all agree morally, ethically and legally that pedophilia is illegal.
Absolutely not! That's why I have filtering software installed on my daughter's computer and monitor her online time very very closely. I know that the internet is full of things that I don't want her to see - in a million and one different places. That's why I take responsibility for myself and for my daughter - I don't expect others to do it for me.
What about all those bad parents out there who don't provide any protection or guidance for their child? If that child finds this crap, you're OK with that because...."the parent should have had a filter." Well, you're right, the parent may be a real loser, but the parent isn't the one providing a nicely organized directory of smut for that child to find, are they.
How would removing porn listings from the ODP stop children from finding porn on the internet...? The porn would still be out there... The ODP isn't even a drop in the bucket compared to what is out there. If a parent does not take responsibility for their own children, then it is a lost cause. Do you think that porn should not exist on the internet at all? That the entire internet should be kid friendly?
Let me try to rephrase where even someone with the mentality such as yourself might understand, I can not imagine anyone who has kids that care about their moral, ethical and mental growth being exposed to this trash or creating a health enviroment for these kids to grow up in would care for this garbage Dmoz and its editors are exposing our youth to for a buck. I dont know about you but my 6 year old son can navigate a computer and its software almost as well as I can. I have a nephew who just turned 12 and can uninstall or go around any program we place on our systems. Kids now a days are a hell of a lot brighter than we were at that age. My 6 year old son once agin is already doing multiplication of 2, 3 and 4 digits. So please dont give me that I protect my child by installing software, if software can be installed it can be gotten around.
Freedom of speech is not an absolute right and believe me, that you can not find anyone more aggressive than me when it comes to defending the freedom of speech. I can not walk in to a crowded theater and yell Fire because through my freedom of speech, I am endangering the lives of others. I can not use my freedom of speech to teach the children how to start an arson in school. Why? because I am destroying property and influencing minors to commit a crime. The boat for freedom of speech for pedophiles already has sailed. I don't think anyone in the society will agree that there is a justification to sexually molest a child, except a phedophile and therefore such sites are nothing but gathering of pedophiles to exchange information on how to find their next victim.
The Internet will always be full of porn, because people make money off of it. I can understand the pornographers promoting their product. But that doesn't mean that DMOZ has to join in on that little parade and promote this garbage too.