DMOZ Scandal of the YEAR

Discussion in 'ODP / DMOZ' started by popotalk, Jun 2, 2007.

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  1. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #221
    I'm prepared to wait and see. Let them all struggle with their consciences. Eventually, we'll see where it all falls out and who is left standing (i.e., standing up for principles and fair play) and who is still kneeling before the hallowed admins and metas hoping for promotion.

    In the meantime, digg it and let's turn up the heat a little on those who are still nervously teetering and wondering which way to move.
     
    minstrel, Jun 8, 2007 IP
  2. paidhosting

    paidhosting Peon

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    #222
    But than again the question stands how can the forums link be put on dmoz without aol's permission ? And that too under guidelines? Is that favoritism or what towards his/her own forums? And they talk about favoritism. Lets see it getting removed from dmoz guidelines pages and than they can talk all they want about favoritism. What a bunch of ------ << fill it up yourself will yaa.

    @minstrel , you never know some might resign and decide in few months when dust has settled to join again, now how can we all be sure whoever resigns is not a showoff ? Skunky seems not a showoff for sure, cause he wants to feed a bunny to a meta everyday :).


    Cheers
     
    paidhosting, Jun 8, 2007 IP
  3. helleborine

    helleborine Well-Known Member

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    #223
    This editor dates back from 2000

    03/Jun/2007 17:45:47 EDT
    euroka
    removed
    "This project has no more future IMO. Just a matter of time I am afraid. I hope I am wrong but I doubt it."
     
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  4. Ivan Bajlo

    Ivan Bajlo Peon

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    #224
    And once all editor leave or are removed, we should se Adsense all over the place and new automated (monthly) paid submissions system running, no guidelines, only relevant is PR of category which will be proportional to the price so links on main PR8 page will cost a nice sum each month. :D
     
    Ivan Bajlo, Jun 9, 2007 IP
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    dogbows Active Member

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    #225
    I am not familiar with that editor name at all. I am curious though about the date of removal which says June 3. Is that the actual day Annie was removed?
     
    dogbows, Jun 9, 2007 IP
  6. helleborine

    helleborine Well-Known Member

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    #226
    You're almost correct. The issue of remunerating the editors some way or another is being hotly discussed at the moment.
     
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    #227
    That was the date editor euroka quit.
     
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  8. dogbows

    dogbows Active Member

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    #228
    I understand that full well skunky! What I am asking is: "Is that also the day that Annie was removed?" Because I don't know the actual day of Annie's removal.
     
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  9. Ivan Bajlo

    Ivan Bajlo Peon

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    #229
    Well that is directly connected to everything else, until ODP decided to become truly open it is doubtful anyone would want to work in that paranoid environment where everyone is guilty and proving innocence is impossible since nobody even wants to even hear your defense - people prosecuted by Stalin had better chance of defending themselves despite the verdict already been made. :mad:
     
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    helleborine Well-Known Member

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    #230
    She was removed on June 1.
     
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    dogbows Active Member

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    #231
    Thank you kindly, my dear!
     
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    paidhosting Peon

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    #232
    Wow a flirt is in the house :D .. Hey no hitting on hot editors allowed in this forum.

    But wait was dear meant as in dear sir, dear mam kinda thing :p, sorry not the bestest of the best when it comes to english here. :eek:

    But is dmoz now dead officially that lots of editors have started to resign? Well dead cause metas are pretty much useless and care more about booting people rather than listing sites as their job description.
     
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  13. dogbows

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    #233
    Well in that case is flirting with hot webmasters ok, Sweetie?
     
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    #234
    Hehe sweetie, check out my avatar , do i look sweet ? By the way thats my pic when i was like 2 or something. :p . Was i cute or what :eek:
     
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    #235
    You were very cute. [​IMG]
     
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    #236
    Inner Forums and RZ Editors Only has been quiet. You know why. :D
     
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    #237
    Tebi je najbolje da se umijes i napijes se malo vode. :)
     
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    #238
    Let me guess --- cause they just found out that i am a gangsta from early age :D:eek:
     
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  19. helleborine

    helleborine Well-Known Member

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    #239
    I remember the days, back in 1997, pre-eBay and pre-YouTube, when there wasn't much on the internet, when I first sat on a computer and learnt of the existence of "www."

    I am not making this up. A fellow grad student introduced me to the new technology. The first thing he did was to show me how to FIND things. There were two ways, he said. "Directory" and "Search Engine." He had bookmarked DMOZ and Altavista on the computer that all 7 of us had to share. He first showed me the directory, commenting that it was difficult to find what you are looking for, because of the complexity of zeroing in on the right category. Then, he opened Altavista, typed in a keyword, and bang! All the info was there. I tried both methods for a brief period of time; after a few days, I was sold on Altavista.

    A few years later, when Nature (the respected science magazine) published a comparison of search engines, the little known "Northern Lights" and "Google" were deemed the best - we all switched to Northern Lights, until they started to try to charge to view some web content! After that, it was Google all the way.

    You can see here on this graph, courtesy of Alexa, how Google took off, and left DMOZ biting the dust:
    [​IMG]

    But perhaps a more fair comparison would be to, say, digitalpoint; as you see, digitalpoint now gets more traffic than DMOZ (including editor actions).
    [​IMG]

    For some time, editors could feel that they were doing something of use, because although they've always known that no one uses DMOZ anymore, they might have had some influence on search engines, guiding them to the better sites. The Google front page link and Google Directory fueled this belief. It might have been true at the time; but only die hard faithful ODP'ers still believe there is any truth to this, nowadays.

    If no one uses the Directory, and if it has no influence on search engines, beyond the value of a link on some god-forsaken low-PR deep directory page, what's the use of spending so much time visiting websites, writing boring descriptions, ferreting out the proper categories for wayward submissions, checking the whois for irregularities, sniffing out fraternal mirrors, etc.?

    It's all for naught.

    And all that we see happening is in the context of a painful realization, perhaps exacerbated by the recent AOL blackout, of how futile the near-decade long exercize has been. Everyone is cranky. There is little patience for, say, an editor like curtmonash, to be bullied by the likes of kctipton (the guy against whom I had an mediation request that was acknowledged, but ignored, and pushed for my dismissal). kctipton left for the ODP for the millionth time when it was suggested to him that he apologize. There is also an increased urgency for reform; however, this is the ODP, and the ODP will die, before it changes. The question has shifted from "where do we go from here" to "is there anything worth rescuing."

    I may be mistaken, but since the pre-crash editor notes on individual sites have been lost, all the previous labor of finding fraternal mirrors etc. has to start from scratch. It is disheartening at best. And when you start seeing fellow editors eating each other alive, quitting in droves, being kicked out in the cruellest of fashion... a dinosaur that will never evolve... the culture of grovelling and waking on eggshells... it's high time to find something better to do.

    We have so little time on this beautiful planet.

    Many "editors" (I prefer the name "link approver") have come to their senses and moved on to activities that are more gratifying and more useful. I am sure that for every editor that finally gets to the end of his road, there is a happy and relieved spouse, children that spend more time with their parents, hobbies that grow healthy, gardens with fewer weeds and sinks with fewer dirty dishes.
     
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    #240

    It hurts that people are killing our planet as we speak, trees being cut down and what not, for how long will our planet last is what aliens might be betting on right now for sure.
     
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