DMOZ/ODP Adult is still promoting pro-pedophilia sites

Discussion in 'ODP / DMOZ' started by minstrel, Apr 23, 2006.

  1. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #61
    To some degree I can... I certainly don't base it solely on web logs/IP address though, there are quite a few other factors that it's based on. For example, posting patterns... these 2 users lived 11 hours away from each other (other side of the world basically) according to their time zone setting, yet when you plot a chart based on the hours of the day they post, they end up mirroring each other. Individually it could just be coincidental of course that one of them is just a night owl, but when you start factoring numerous coincidences (there certainly are others as well) with facts that mathematically couldn't be coincidental (like them being on the same IP addresses), you start to get a bigger picture.
     
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  2. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #62
    Let me add this into the mix:

    Check aquarius vs. pagode vs. pvgool
     
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  3. brizzie

    brizzie Peon

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    #63
    Oui mon ami.

    pvgool is not a username here and some editors don't use the same name here as their editorname. They just shouldn't choose another editor's username externally as it leads to confusion. Most people here know my editor name but it ain't brizzie. Though if you knew where I started my DMOZ career you can work out the connection.

    (for anyone who hasn't worked it out I am former scourge of RZ, oneeye)
     
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  4. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #64
    I meant check for a connection among those DMOZ editor names. And do remember that proxies and disguised origins are not difficult to origin. Spammers do it regularly.
     
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  5. brizzie

    brizzie Peon

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    #65
    Ah I see what you mean - pagode isn't an editor name. Which is OK - before I picked brizzie I made sure there had never been an editor of that name - wouldn't want them blamed for my own views.
     
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  6. dogbows

    dogbows Active Member

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    #66
    Well, I will have to take your word that they are one and the same. But I can assure you as an editor I spent most of my time editing between 10:00PM and 7:00AM my time. And I got to know more editors from clear across the globe than I did those close to home. I was certainly not the only night owl editor by any stretch of the imagination. I worked second shift, edited third shift, and slept first shift, if you can call 3 to 5 hours sleep.
     
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    compostannie Peon

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    #67
    I couldn't begin to tell anyone the times I edit most. I edit any time of the day and night... I have trouble sleeping and keep my computer next to my bed at night and it's with me all day, so I agree that times aren't really relevant.

    I know pvgool, I like and respect him. I've never had any contact with aquarius. I'm not going to speculate about any possible connections, but we all know Shawn's a pretty techie guy so I feel secure in trusting his judgement on this. I know pvgool understands rules, and if he had two accounts here I'm sure he understands he broke the rules. I also trust pvgool is a big enough man to respect Shawn's reasons for the ban. ;)
     
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    sidjf Peon

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    #68
    The point digitalpoint was making was not just the actual times of postings, it's the fact that the posting times of both of them were almost identical. The fact that they were supposedly 11 hours apart is just icing on the cake. ;)

    If it was 2 users on the same computer, why would they claim to live in different timezones? ;-)

    If pagode and aquarius are the same person, then they broke the rules and deserve to be banned. It's only a one week ban, so if he wants, he can come back to defend/explain himself.
     
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    #69
    I've received e-mail from the personality or personalities involved in this disordered multiple-personality situation, explaining the situation. (No minstrel, this is not a DSM-IV diagnosis...)

    Suffice it to say that if you decide to quit your membership in a website, it's probably not a good idea to do it by changing your recorded e-mail address to a fake address, then scrambling your password. Chances are that you will have second thoughts and decide to return to that site. At that point you will regret having scotched your access to your account, as you might end up registering an illegal second account. :rolleyes:
     
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  10. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #70
    Which doesn't alter the fact that he broke at least one and possible two DMOZ rules.
     
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    #71
    What dmoz rules do you think he, she, they, or it broke? AFAIK, there's only one dmoz editor involved in this identity crisis.
     
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  12. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #72
    Look at pvgool vs. aquarius, orlady.
     
    minstrel, Apr 25, 2006 IP
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    #73
    What makes you think they are the same person on dmoz, aside from DP name nonsense? (serious question, not being sarcastic. :) )
     
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  14. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #74
    Serious question -> serious answer: I've received information from two separate and I believe credible individuals suggesting this is true. Neither is gworld, by the way but they are editors.

    I obviously can't investigate this myself. I suggest someone who can might want to do so.
     
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    #75
    minstrel - thank you for the reply. :)
     
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    an0n Prominent Member

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    #76
    Couldn't agree more.

    good post there minstrel! ++
     
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    #77
    And the point I was making is that it shouldn't even be considered in the mix, since two people could very easily be 11 hours apart and mirror each other's posting times.

    I didn't know they were claiming to live in different timezones when I asked. The fact is my question really wasn't about aqaurius and pagode. It was about two users who might live in the same household using the same computer. I still don't have a clear-cut answer. But that's ok. I don't need to know, just as I don't need your constant nit-picking every time I post, siddy. I said what I came here to say, so I'm out of here.
     
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  18. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #78
    Agreed... it certainly wasn't wasn't the deciding factor when determining if they are the same person or not (just one small factor of many).

    Two people can share the same computer and use different accounts in this forum without violating the forum's TOS (many people here have that setup). The problem is just when the same person has more than one account (may or may not even be from the same computer). The specifics of how I can tell isn't really relevant (and wouldn't be a really smart thing to publicly disclose how I can tell... would just make it easier for people to mask multiple accounts), so... :)
     
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    #79
    One way of checking the result is to check the DMOZ profiles. If it is one editor with two usernames then at least one will be removed. At that point the email link will disappear. Only a personal opinion but pvgool I have always taken to be of the highest integrity - bit of a faux pas here using another editor's username but mistakes happen, no-one is perfect - what was that around April 1st about impersonating another editor? It is hard enough I would have thought to maintain multiple editor personalities in one language but to do it in two languages and get away with it I would have thought extremely difficult. If the editors pvgool and aquarius are one and the same I will eat my hat.
     
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  20. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #80
    There are plenty of people on this forum alone who are bilingual, trilingual, and more. If I'm not mistaken, Expertu speaks 7 or 8 languages.
     
    minstrel, Apr 26, 2006 IP