DMOZ Listing useless?

Discussion in 'ODP / DMOZ' started by humm, May 22, 2006.

  1. #1
    My friend recently got listed in dmoz but in sub-directory tyoe category like..

    Xyz/S

    in dmoz the xyz has a pagerank, whereas S or matter any other type like a-z all have no pagerank. So does it mean that even though your have been listed in dmoz its no use coz the page you have been lisited has got no pagerank? :eek:

    does it mean no increase in your google pgrank?
     
    humm, May 22, 2006 IP
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  2. aaron_nimocks

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    It is probably a new category so doesnt have pagerank yet. No biggie.

    Also DMOZ listings are not useless. You will get the added bonus of numerous backlinks from sites that use DMOZ info.
     
    aaron_nimocks, May 22, 2006 IP
  3. humm

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    thanks buddy for your quick reply. basically till the page doesn't get a pagerank, it will not help.. i guess?

    and checking the site showed that its still not got much any backlinks from dmoz.. does it take time.?
     
    humm, May 22, 2006 IP
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    It will take some time for backlinks to show up.

    Pagerank doesnt mean crap. The link will help. I highly recommend you forget about pagerank for good. It has nothing to do with how your site ranks and how much money you make.
     
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    ohh.. thanks budddy for your quick response and to solve my problem. :)
     
    humm, May 22, 2006 IP
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    None of which will really do you any good at all.

    PageRank isn't as important as many people believe, that's true. It's still a hell of a lot more important than a DMOZ listing.
     
    minstrel, May 22, 2006 IP
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    A listing isn't useless, it's still a link. I wouldn't place any more importance on it than any other link though.
     
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    Now that your there I would just forget and carry on doing other stuff and not think about it.
     
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    Dmoz is the largest human edited directory even google take their data from it. So it has its own importance if your site add by dmoz then it promote automatically.
     
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    That is simply not true.

    Yes, Google populates their Google Directory a few tiomes a year from the DMOZ feeds. But then what does Google actually do with that data? Nothing. If it was really important to them, you can be sure they'd update it a lot more frequently and do something about the crap in the directory.

    As for the second part, a listing in DMOZ is a link to your site. Period. It certainly does NOT automatically promote your site. In fact, depending on where exactly your DMOZ listing is, you would be far better off getting a listing somewhere else. It's not that a DMOZ listing hurts you - it's just that it really doesn't help that much.
     
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    and strange thing is.. yet google is yet to add the sub-category type .. i.e., A-Z
    These category still don't exist on google and nor have any pgrank on dmoz.
     
    humm, May 23, 2006 IP
  12. Indian

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    Not sure if thats true now. Google is banning sites using the Dmoz info.
     
    Indian, May 23, 2006 IP
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    not true again... google is banning that's wrong! How do you know google is banning!??
     
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    How do u know google is not banning?
     
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    Google's preference has always been to do things programmatically (algorithmically) rather than manually. They don't need to ban DMOZ clones or sites which buy links or artificial link schemes - all they need to do is have a way to identify them and discount (zero out the PR value) of the links.
     
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    I will always disagree with this. So what you are saying is pagerank "a made up number based off of mainly backlinks" is more important than a DMOZ listing that will give you up to a few hundred backlinks?

    That just dont make since.

    People pay $50 or whatever to get their site submitted to 300 directories. Maybe 100 of those links will get listed on directories. You submit to DMOZ and get accepted and get 100 backlinks out of it. Thats $50 you saved.

    I will agree that the single DMOZ listing alone isnt worth much and could actually end up hurting your site depending on what info Google pulls from it though but the added bonus is definetly worth it.
     
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    Hope someone at Google sees this.
     
    Indian, May 24, 2006 IP
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    #18
    You assume that all those DMOZ clones count as additional backlinks to your site:

    1. have a look at them - how many of them even have PR? you may be listed on a PR3 DMOZ page (along with 100+ other listings) but the clone pages of that listing are generally worthless as backlinks, even assuming that Google counts them

    2. assuming you are listed on a PR3 DMOZ page along with 100+ other listings you're getting a pretty weak backlink even from the original page - the PR passed along to your page will be approximately .85 * 3 / 100+ pages - hardly anything to bet the mortgage on even for the original DMOZ page

    3. the majority of the clones of that page are going to be hit by the duplicate content filter anyway - result: useless backlink - Google doubtless has several other ways of ascertaining that the clone page is not original content and has shown in the past that they negate (zero out, discount) the value of such links
     
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    Assuming you are on PR3 DMOZ page with 100+ other links you are correct.

    I have 5 sites in DMOZ with only 5-10 other listings on the page and that is what I am looking at. In my case the listings DO help. But I dont do sites that are very competitive that would also have 100+ DMOZ listings.
     
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    That's still just one link, Aaron.
     
    minstrel, May 24, 2006 IP