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Dmoz is down

Discussion in 'ODP / DMOZ' started by eXe, Oct 20, 2006.

  1. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #281
    No, not really. Certainly not any more than an incoming link from another page with equivalent PR.

    Again, no, not really. If you were relying on DMOZ for your site promotion strategy, you were misleading yourself to begin with.

    Nope. How much value do you think you were getting from all those mirrored links? Hint: duplicate content filters.
    SEMrush
     
    minstrel, Dec 1, 2006 IP
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    justbadco1 Peon

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    #282
    I'm a newbie but DMOZ sucks. From what I can see, they have very little practical use today and should be shut down. It's a monopoly of sorts and the fact that (some) search engines rely so heavily on their info is rediculous... ESPECIALLY when new sites (hmmmm... maybe even BETTER sites than the ones they list!!???) cannot even get listed due to their ongoing "technical difficulties", other issues and backlogs. What a joke/waste.
     
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    Makis77 Active Member

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    #283
    its hurting reputation of dmoz all this fuss.

    I dont think that they r reliable any more and my mind wasnt made by this problem that occured the last month
     
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    copperdrum Peon

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    #284
    So because you don't have a use for it, it must be worthless right? :rolleyes: It sounds to me like your 'gripe' is with those that choose to use its data not with dmoz. Most likely your issue should be directed to Google from the sounds of it. dmoz has NO control over who uses its data or how much the want to weigh it. Monopoly? Hardly, a monopoly would indicate the ability to prevent competition, anyone can start a free directory and offer free inclusion. They can even start it out with dmoz data so I fail to see how dmoz has a monopoly on anything. I am not saying everything is perfect, far from it.
    There are loads of things that could use improving and somethings I believe may be improving slowly, but blaming dmoz for what a search engine decides to do is just crazy. As for the technical difficulties, sure that is troubling. Its just as frustrating for editors (maybe more so) as it is for everyone else. The argument that dmoz being down somehow effected the search engines holds some merit I suppose, but given how infrequently and random Google (for example) chooses to update their copy I doubt a month (or two) down time would have much of an effect.
     
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  5. irka

    irka Well-Known Member

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    #285
    LOL! For what? PR?

    Well if the game is to get popular, DMOZ lost from the whole beginning, my parents knows wikipedia better than DMOZ and though DMOZ is the biggest directory on internet:rolleyes:

    No! ROFL! Why are we adding sites to directories?
    To increase the chance to appear on search engine results pages :), when you type 'gay directory' on google you see http://www.gaymoz.org/ appears in position 4.

    Here is the tricky question! Does DMOZ ranks on google? Yes it does... on page 3 or 2! Wikipedia is taking over, and lol from what i saw wikipedia is the new DMOZ with editors that farts higher than their asses, though wikipedia contains real information.

    So if there are no more macdonalds nobody will eat burgers anymore is that what you mean? :D
     
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    irka Well-Known Member

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    #286
    Oh btw at wikipedia editors never complains of bad submissions (here bad articles suggestions), they let you remove the informations you added yourself if it is not convinient instead of banning you and delete your links without warning. You can really communicate with Wikipedia editors :D, did anyone ever got a nice answer from Resource Zone's DMOZ Meta Ultra Super Editors that talks 12 languages?

    That wikipedia stuff is way way way better and gives stronger links than DMOZ, so everybody focus on wikipedia now :D
     
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    irka Well-Known Member

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  8. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #288
    I did not find a single mention about DMOZ at the link you mentioned.. I did notice the BlackHat link is broken though...
     
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    #289
    According to wikipedia's external linking help page:

    Important Points to Remember Item #2:
     
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    Ivan Bajlo Peon

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    #290
    Technically yes, while I was editor I linked several DMOZ categories I was maintaining with Wiki and vice versa, now these categories will fall in disrepair and DMOZ link will become useless… :(
     
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    #291
    Well, I've seen the effect on google-serps when a new DMOZ directory was created - and it was huge. From highly irrelevant results to well organized serps with good links in the top 10. Whether DMOZ is relevant to your parents is irrelevant to google. Google knows that a DMOZ link is a trusted link.

    That isn't to say that wikipedia isn't a major player - and with DMOZ going or gone, it is likely to become more important.

    As for duplicate content filters: I've just added a few copies of DMOZ-directory pages to my own links-collection and within two weeks a few were ranking within the top 20 for relevant keywords (below DMOZ and google-directory though). Duplicate content filters help get rid of the other 100s of duplicates, but a duplicate from a trusted site does count some. In my case with reason: a copy I make is an editorial choice, which is what decides whether something is spam or useful to human beings.
     
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  12. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    Really? I guess that splains all those dead links that show up in google results lucy!
     
    Mia, Dec 5, 2006 IP
  13. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    I agree, Mia. Kh7's post is yet another example of superstitious thinking. There's a lot of that going around about Google. There always has been when it comes to Google.
     
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  14. irka

    irka Well-Known Member

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    #294
    Under the section 'References' you have a lot of external links (links are static intact with no-nofollow [means its really ok]), but under the section External Link you just see a link pointing to DMOZ Seo category,

    When a wiki editor is adding content to any articles, he has the right to add links to other sites in the External Link section, so the editor of the SEO article didn't want to add other external links but the one to DMOZ!! Also editors at wikipedia are not webmaster at all, so someone gotta do the job for them, and guess who??

    Even for the french part of SEO, only a DMOZ link in the external link section, seems like it's universal...
    http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referencement

    LOL! Perhaps adding wiki's links to DMOZ is a way to keep it alive, but seriously with all those angelfire, tripod, typepad, blogspot, wordpress etc.. etc... free hosting sh*t on DMOZ you expect it to live for thousand years?

    A fact is i am an editor on my own directories, i never added a link to DMOZ on any of them. But... try to run a search for wikipedia on http://www.irkawebdirectory.com. Yep! A lot!

    Seriously directories like DMOZ could have a future (look at Yahoo which is doing fine, i love their countries categories part it's really well maintained.), it is because of a lack of improvments, creativity and research that led DMOZ where it is today: on PAGE 3 of google.com
    Even google directory appears on page 3. Yahoo directory appears always above those 2 directories

    Wikipedia is perfect and there is nothing to say, editors can be bad seriously i don't care cause there is no way to compete with wikipedia (DMOZ too but LESS competition since we all know that DMOZ doesn't lists new websites for a long time).

    I don't think DMOZ is useless, i think it needs a big clean up! I don't know hwat's really going on at DMOZ... I think the older editors just forgot why they're editors, well usually you replace the old ones with new/fresh ones right? So why not firing all the editors at DMOZ and pick up new ones?
     
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    #295
    Perfect? Is anything really perfect?

    So, you don't know what's going on, and you don't know me, but you've decided I should be fired? I need to be replaced? Experience and dedication count for nothing?

    You're a scary fellow irka. I'm glad you're not in a position to harm me, because yes, I am old. I feel sorry for your parents, have you gotten rid of them yet? :rolleyes:

    Soylent Green is PEOPLE! :D
     
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    Annie's correct. I learned that from Homer Simpson.
     
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    irka Well-Known Member

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    Arf! Annie you got a point here! We can't get rid of all of them of course... You have experience, they have experience. So far DMOZ is dying not only because its server is down, i dunno what category you edit nor what is your status nor all those stuffs so don't take it personally (even though you're a dmoz editor).

    I don't know who is the boss of all the editors, then perhaps someone should replace him instead of firing everyone :D:D

    And my parents are still alive, i didn't got rid of them.

    What does that mean?
     
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    irka Well-Known Member

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green :D:D

    So now i get it... Yes they are still people and i agree with homer simpson!
     
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    Just having a little fun with you irka. ;)
     
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