Dmoz should charge say $50 per site which will bring them Millions a year and they can THEN pay to there staff and get rid of all corruption which we have been hearing for many years This way everyone would have a chance of getting there sites indexed right now its a mockery with millions of people awaiting for many years to get there sites indexed This is why there is corruption and dmoz people taking back handers to list website and people that have worked hard are still awaiting when contacting dmoz all they say is that there data has been lost i have now given UP
DMOZ is a sham of a mockery of a sham. Paying staff won't get rid of corruption if it's already rife, they'd need to replace the staff.
I have heard that many users have been accepted for only 1 week . I have submited more than 5 sites over 2 years i no one have been indexed there . I have repeated the submission many times but i think that noway to have a site there .
DMOZ was, is and will be free for suggestions. Otherwise will lost almost all of its editors - we are volunteers, receiving kind of payment is not what we are looking for. All the editors I know will leave if we start to accept payable listings. But everyone is free to build a directory and to charge users for listing. Dont want to comment other "opinions", there are enough hijacked threads here. Regards
A mockery of what? What is truly all that different between DMOZ and any other directory when dealing with the number of sites on the net vs. the number of sites listed. Concerned over the wait time? Heh, become an editor! I can agree with that, you said IF Though, I must point out, that the better majority of the corruption claims against the ODP are from people unwilling to also provide proof with it. Though, what people can point out, DMOZ stands firmly behind it's confidentiality claims...
So? Staff could be paid instead, or they could do what about.com does and pay a base rate plus a percentage of advertising. dmoz is a joke because of the corruption that goes on, you can't prove it and that's a huge part of the problem - the way dmoz is set up and the way that it is run allows corruption to go undetected. Editors can easily sit around for years and never add a single new site to any categories that they edit. It's not a requiremnet to add new sites, it's a requirement to make one edit every four months - that's any edit, you can just rearrange a description if you want and that counts as an edit. Editors can only add their own sites if they want. The are required to reveal the sites that they own, but all they have to do is just not give that information, there is NO way to check. dmoz has stated on their blog that the surest way to get banned from the directory for life is to try and bribe an editor. So all you have to do is try and bribe an editor to list your competitors sites, and you get them banned or delisted. They have NO way to check where or who actually offered the bribe. There is more stuff you can easily do too, it's ridiculous...and go ahead and tell me you can check or that you somehow can tell which sites are mine, but that will be false. You do not know which sites I own, unless I tell you. Even if I tell you my real name I can still set up sites with privacy registration or even in someone elses name, and add all of them to the directory if I want and add no one else...
Well, we are not about.com, and we dont want to be. Names, please? Have you seen "Report abuse" link at every single page? And dont forget to prove what you are saying Exactly. They are volunteers. Better suggestion? This forum is full with removed editors. Ask them why they were removed. Please, dont consider our metas and editalls for stupid ones. And also dont forget, that almost everyone has competitors. Dont forget about "Report abuse". And about the trolls Will quote myself, sorry. Our metas and editalls are not stupid. They are experienced ones, believe me. Not mission impossible. Dont forget your competitors Sure...and? We will miss few sites related with you? Look at ODP -there are more than 4 000 000 sites listed... Dont want to discuss with you here. If you are ready to spend your free time volunteering at ODP - you are welcome. Till then it will be difficult to me to explain you exactly how we are proceeding and what more of us are doing. Personally I have good day. Some 80+ new sites added, 4 new cats created, learnt a lot of new stuff about editing from our metas...feel fine. Wish you to enjoy your work and what you are doing during your free time. Please, excuse me for my English - its not my native one Regards
The ODP is also seemingly not open to suggestions, nor do they want to be... Rich Skrenta ~ The founder is corrupt, I mean, he's got 10K deep links, and apperently wrote the first virus. Hows that for commendable? Though, it's not corrupt for him to have that many listings, only if any other editor ads a link that belongs to them. (ain't mixed messages great?) I mean, if I am corrupt for adding one site plus six, I can only assume he would be corrupt for adding a ratio a bit more loop sided then mine Founder or not, his listings were added as a boost to his site and by his own words. (and yes, I keep bringing it up, his sites are still there, and I'm still being called corrupt by current editors) So it's better to list nothing then to list your own sites? Seems to be about equal in many cases... Can't they are generally not given a reason for their dismissal... confidentiality & all. I'm sure you understand. If, on the off chance, DMOZ is as full of corruption as many seem to think, what are the chances anyone will care what is reported? I mean, heh, if the Meta team is full of a bunch of ne'er-do-wells and they are the ones getting the reports... My sites are all under a different name. If I got another site and put it in my real name, and did not put it in my sig, then chances are my competitors would not have a clue it belonged to me... let alone anyone in DMOZ. Though, I guess there could be magickal methods of finding out... I'll consult my crystal ball.
Q, what exactly from these posts you dont understand? Both posted by Alucard: Really cant understand you...
Oddly removed editors don't have option to see proof or defended themselves so why should he have to prove anything? Separate spammy categories from normal ones and give all editors access to those so they can add non-spammy website there and don't have to wait weeks for meta to approve applications for each category separately? No idea, all I got was BS warning before removal based on partial sentences take out of content I made on this forum when I joined accusing me of self-interests - apparently metas never bothered to check my edit logs since most of it was adding competitors websites on which I had waste many nights searching for them on the internet. You mean divine metas are never wrong? My only competitor worth mentioning is wikipedia and I'm constantly trying to find ways to delete articles which have been almost entirely copied from my website. Not from my experience and from what I have seen what kind of persons want to and can become admins at wikipedia or forums I have very low opinion on such people and believe that many of them are more interested in having power and bullying others then actual project. I thought ODP was more interested in quality not quantity.
It doesn't matter how smart you are, there is NO way to find out which sites an editor owns if they choose to hide that information. I don't need to prove that, everyone knows you can use privacy registration or create a site under a different name. I already said that. Exactly. How would you prove it? Besides dmoz says not to use the abuse form to report editors that won't add sites to their category. If you mean that competitors would report a corrupt editor then you are wrong, they wouldn't be able to connect the editor with the sites that are being added either, and as I already said dmoz says not to use the abuse form to report editors that won't add sites to their category. No need to explain, I've been editing for many years now
Sure. As if there is anything that could be done especially to higher ranks. I reported one a long time ago of self promotion and found out that he's back. The cats were cleaned up though. Your full of it budulata. I don't generalize the present editors as most are editing with integrity. Don't go that far as I know the noobs are much more ignorant of what is happening. But on your side of the line you have trolls too. And don't forget about the puppets and puppeteers in your side of the line, that is very important to know. Most of them are not really but there are always rotten tomatoes in a basket, believe me. LOL !!! Another Secret Service !!
Well now... Skrenta IS an editor, you can see that from The List and an active editor at that. he also has over 10K deeplinks to his affiliates. What part of that can't you understand? As for having an AOL staff add them, there are things wrong with that. Like thats just as bad, if not worse, then an editor adding them, that's favoritism and bias editing from the TOP, not just from a founding editor. Anyone else giving such treatment to sites and they would be canned quicker then you can say favoritism. Besides, I have given proof that he has 10K deep linked pages from his affiliates... and you wanted proof. Now that proof is invalid because of his rank or status? Sorry, but prove that's not corruption from the top, or prove that those 10K++ Topix sites are not listed...
Hmmm... is it against the guidelines to Cool your own sites, in your bookmarks? http://www.dmoz.org/Bookmarks/S/skrenta/] I know it's against the guidelines to cool your own sites anyplace else...
I've given up on DMOZ listing my website, I've applied for them once, then forgot, still not added. Then after the db corruption or whatever it was that happened I submitted again, still waiting... I've tried both sites in my sig, the both have unique content so I don't know why they've not been listed.
In Google page rank system Google has PR 10 , while Yahoo , Netscape , Baidu , MySpace all are under PR 8 . Do you also find that partial as AOL adding Topix via deeplinking ? When i search for the term " search engine" on Yahoo.com , search.yahoo.com turns up as result #1 , but not so in other SE's do you also find that odd ? it has been told in this forum several times , Topix.net along with weather.com and several other sites were deeplinked for specific reasons when there were very little sites listed in the ODP ... and many of the older deeplinked sites have been de-listed by individual editors by their own discretion i think ... as applicable . So don't try to bring up the lame topic for no valid reason whatsoever .
By your examples, the ODP bringing up the ODP would be perfectly fine, and I guess it is, that's why dmoz.org is cooled withing the directory... but TOPIX is not owned by the ODP, it's the site of one of it's editors. The fact that editors are free to remove the listings do not make up for the fact there are still over ten thousand of them there. They were placed there by a program, not by a human... the ODP prides itself on being the largest HUMAN edited directory. When an editor places a link they think is worthy, that is one thing...but when it's placed there by a bot, that is really an entirely different matter. Also note, that much of the content of TOPIX is little more then syndication feeds from other sites. That is in violation of the mirror and affiliate guidelines. It's also, in most cases, shown as XML links, which in most cases are the ONLY feed in the categories. The list of "special" treatment for Topix is a looooong loooooong list. So yeah, give the ODP special treatment, but leave the sites of editors as a fair playing field. As if it's OK to give special treatment to one editor's site, it should be OK to give special treatment to all editors sites. To do otherwise does make DMOZ a mockery of fairness and a mockery of HUMAN EDITED inclusion...
thats where you are wrong Q ... i am not making a judgment whether dmoz.org or topix should be cooled within dmoz .... same way i am not making a judgment why search.yahoo.com is # in Yahoo results ... because i appreciate the good that yahoo also gives to my site. it's about time xyz appreciate the good that comes out of the ODP ... topix.net being cooled in some editors bookmarks does not make your chance of getting cooled in some other category in there any lesser ... or it being listed in 10000 spots does not inhibit your sites chances being listed in same categories ... theres no limit as to how many sites can be listed in a category. It surprises me about the knowledge you have about the guidelines about the ODP , why you stuck with listing only 5-6 sites ? It is not my or any editors place to justify why one site is listed and another is not .... All i am saying is : if you have the zeal , and knowledge , be constructive in it ... you don't need to be destructive about other peoples constructive efforts to show your goodness . Out of all these months , have you ever felt any of the editors or AOL gives a sh** ?