Hello: Man...I have tried so hard to get into DMOZ... its been ages... I rank better than my competitors, have good pageranks...and am not yet in DMOZ...what should I do? Any of you can help me out in getting my sites there? They are gambling related, some foreign....I dont know what else to do but ask you here...Most of my competitors are there so its not like htey dont include sites from my niche....
Submit & forget is the motto, stick to it You are already beating out all the rest in there, why bother with being listed with those lower then yourself Seriously, just move on and keep doing what you are doing. If you are truly better then the rest then the rest wont matter, neither will this link. Q
Totally agree, I use to worry so much about DMOZ, read all their instructions, submit a totally clean submission in accordance to their very letter on their instructions, no news despite my site being online for 3-4 years and choosing the category extremely cautiously. I heard that being in DMOZ is important for Google indexing that was why I was so worried, but if you read through DP, they are so many other ways, just submit and move along and do not even bother, there are definitely better things to do like improving your content etc.
Here's an idea. I heard on another forum that if you sign up to be an editor for a specific category at DMOZ, it gives you an edge to get your site listed. I have signed up myself. Here's the url: http://www.dmoz.org/ Before signing up, go to your category and scroll down to the bottom to see if there is an editor already. If not, they will ask if u want to volunteer. Hope this helps. Gayle Mitchell
I hope you meant, you've been waiting for months and not that you've been submitting for months. The submission policies that you agreed to state, "Please only submit a URL to the Open Directory once." Not quite. If you become an editor for the category that the site actually belongs in, then yes, you can list it yourself (as long as you treat it the same way as any other site in that category, you treat and list any competitors equally, and you do more than just add your own sites). Biased editing is cause for removal of editing privleges. New editors are restricted to small categories, until they learn the ropes and have demonstrated they can follow the Guidelines that all editors edit within. To get wider or higher permissions, they have to apply for them, and a senior editor will study their editing record and make a decision. All editors have been turned down for new permissions and given feedback about what they need to improve on, it's very common. If your site belongs in a category that you don't edit in, you may submit it to that category from within the Directory, but you may not ask another editor to list it, it will wait with all other site suggestions until an editor who does have editing permissions in that area reviews it. That editor will not know if one of the site suggestions belongs to an editor. (unless it's a meta editor who has access to certain information that most editors don't have access to). What you can do as an editor, is see any editor notes that might get added about a site suggestion (if and when some action is taken on the site suggestion). I suppose that could be considered an edge, . You are required to list all afilliations on your dashboard, which is only accessable to senior editors. We're very touchy about any self promotion from within the Directory, and take it very seriously. Becoming an editor is a position of trust, break it and you're gone, none of us want you there.
That is only partially true. The ODP was founded on self-promotion and it's been it's driving force ever since. That is why Skrenta has over 10k listings for his original site (Topix) that has automated listings rather then human edited like everyone else's is supposed to be. And now that CNN is part of the AOL family, I'd reckon that may explain why that too has/had automated listings... Though that also seems to be true for many editors. Maybe it falls down to being a founder vs. being just an editor? A high ranking member can get 10 automated listings, while a lowly editor gets slack for having just one... I guess that is the double nature of being Human *shrug* ______________ Regardless though, I do recommend that anyone willing to actually work on a category apply if they can handle how new editors are treated and are willing to not question how things are done. Expanding a category will likely serve the greater good, and who knows, once AOL finally realizes the internal problems of it's directory maybe these new editors could step up and replace what's already there. Just know what you are truly getting into if you apply.
You're never a disappointment, Q. But, I'm talking about the general way things are, not the odd cases done with the permission and approval of AOL Staff, which is the very top of the hierarchy. There's an AOL blog where you can (and have) addressed such complaints directly with AOL Staff, so why confuse the posters here, . Anyone who doubts my word, can become editors and find out the truth of my statements themselves.
Glad I didn't disappoint I was not trying to confuse anyone here, just trying to make sure the entire truth was told...and the fact that the AOL staff condones such loop-sided views does say a lot about the directory as a whole... The same applies to my word.
Qryztufre , IMDB.com and Wikipedia.com and geocities.com also seems to have over 10,000 listings on the DMOZ ... are they also owned by some " higher up editor " as well ?
Geocities has listings on a personal home page basis in most instances so those are a completely different matter. Wikipedia has a high number of DMOZ editors, so there could be some connection there. I am unsure about IMDB.com...however, to my knowledge none of them are automated listings like TOPIX was. Nor is it public knowledge of any connection like the connection between Skrenta and TOPIX.
Not speaking as an editor, Q, but just as a personal observation, . So what? And?... What's the big deal? Bosses/owners can make any decision they want to, without any explanations or justification to anyone. When you become the Boss of something, you can do the same, as I do everyday, lol. If a customer walks into my shop and demands something or doesn't like the way I do things, I just point them towards the door and tell em not to let the door hit them in the ass on the way out. Now, you wouldn't want to make a habit of that, of course, but ownership does have it's privleges, especially when you've created and built something with your own two hands. In the case of the Directory, the only ones owed anything, are the people who built it for free, not the submitters or the users, but the builders, .
Then the end user is not the average surfer it is the builders, and if it is a tool for the builders then it makes perfect sense to push the notion that other webmasters are bad people, they are the competition of the main theme of the directory ~ to list the websites of those in charge. The United Way got into trouble for padding the pockets of those in charge, are you saying that they should not of gotten into trouble because that is how things should be? To self-promote those in power? So if that is "how it should be" then it should be stated that, that is how it is. A tool for staff and ranking members to self promote their own sites over those of the average webmaster. And with such self serving behavior allowed it's really no wonder so many people claim they can not get a listing due to a competitor being the editor over the best category for their site...they are just following the exampled of those in charge.
Huh? I think something got lost in the translation there, Q. As the builders of the Directory, we decide who it is we serve, and that's the web surfer. Webmasters have nothing to do with it, unless they're editors. Your suspicions of misconduct for personal gain by Staff, or by senior editors with the approval of AOL Staff are just plain silly, and even if they were true (which they aren't), so what? What business would that be of yours? or mine, for that matter. One of the founders mass listed a bunch of Topix sites he was involved with, and maybe he made money because of that, or maybe he didn't. So? Is that any of your business? Noooo, it isn't. Did we like it? Nooooo, but, so what? It's still none of your business. Does it prevent sites from being listed? Noooo Does it prevent anyone from using our data for free? Noooo Do submitters still get to suggest their site for free? Yessss, so what's your beef? Jealousy? Well, tough. Go build your own Directory, you have nothing invested in this one, and I'm saying that kindly, . Whose business is it? The editors who built the Directory, and the owners of the Directory, which would be the ones you're accusing of misconduct. And as they have complete control, own it, have invested time and money in it, and pay the bills for it, I reckon they can do most anything they want to, .
actually Q , little knowledge about something is as much a pretty useless thing as is vendetta . FYI skrenta , if i recollect properly , owns very less of TOPIX - the company, by now . even if many wikipedia editors are DMOZ editors , what exactly are you suggesting ? that they are collectively abhoring "you" or the rest of the internet's website submitters and only their own sites get listed there ? doesn't seem that way to me, by the numbers of site listed in DMOZ
@ Websys, you are the one that brought up those other sites not me. If I knew more about them then I'd like be carrying on about them as I do TOPIX. The average web surfer, as the end user of DMOZ has the right to know just who they are dealing with when they use the directory. As do any that submit to it. As do any editors that edit it. I'm just spreading the word. Though if you guys do not like it, why not stand up and do something about it? Having those site linger within the directory only gives fodder to people looking for something to complain about....and defending such things only shines a bad light on the directory as a whole. And to note, you are the one that brought up self promotion being a touchy subject. I was only giving one example of it that is evident within the ODP.
not realy Q .... you brought up TOPIX and skrenta , with your half baked theory .... i brought up the name of other sites to prove that site got as much preferential treatment as other sites did. you want to play the net nanny , try becoming aged with knowledge instead of getting soar out of vendetta
I like you, Brother Q, but you keep hijacking threads by knawing on the same old bone, which is a dead topic. None of those sites bother me in the least, nor do all of the weather sites that were mass added for the same reasons. When we run across them, and there's something better to replace them with, we do so. In the mean time, I can't see that they're doing any harm sitting there. You guys have a Merry Christmas, if I get busy.
in april 2007 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topix.net what is interesting is that new owner moved website from .net to .com and DMOZ well known for delisting websites which change owner/domain seems to have done one massive listing updating of all those .net to .com leaving only 9 topix.net still listed compared to some 17,407 topix.com