Dmitry Kovtun

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  1. #1
    First we had Aleaxander Litvinenko, then Yegor Gaidar closely followed by Mario Sacramella all falling ill with symptons of radioactive poisoning similar to the Polonium 210 that killed Litvinenko

    Now we have Dimitry Kovtun

    Another man at that meeting, businessman Dmitry Kovtun, is hospitalized in Moscow with signs of contamination from polonium-210, a rare radioactive element.

    http://www.wral.com/apworldnews/10488133/detail.html

    http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/...rritories/russia/index.html?excamp=GGGNkovtun

    Next looks likely to be Andrei Lugovoy

    Comments here :-
     
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    Just been reading up on it, it's getting crazy mate.

    Christ only knows how much of this ruddy polonium-210 is kicking about over here at the moment. :(

    I'm still waiting for the media to link it to Al-Qaeda as everything links back to Al-Qaeda. :rolleyes:

    Having problems at work?
    Well that's because of Al-Qaeda.

    The missus won't let you have a tickle when you get home from the pub?
    Gotta be an Al-Qaeda problem.

    Car won't start in the morning?
    Must be them Muslim terrorists responsible.

    TV remote control not working?
    Damn terrorists have put a Jihad on it.

    Do not be surprised if we see Bin Laden wheeled out in another dodgy video claiming full responsibility. Remember, we haven't seen or heard anything from him for a while now and all the "war widows" might need a reminder of why their loved ones were needlessly killed.

    Whatever is going on is some serious stuff, that dude went from a healthy guy to nothing within 3 weeks, it's some serious shit, it's even more toxic than Frosty Jacks White Cider. The guy spoke out against the Russians in a damning book, and here is an interesting comparison too. In the US anyone who speaks out against the people in power (like Alex Jones) get labeled as kook, if you're Russian you get a nice capsule of top quality radiation and you're dead within 3 weeks. :confused:
     
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    britishguy Prominent Member

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    Choice words but very true the Russians have clear white Vodka and Russian Mafia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Mafia

    And nothing much in between the two but of course if you step out of line your Black Russian containing vodka, coffee liqueur, and ice can do topped off with a splash of Polonium 210

    Potent Cocktails
     
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    iatbm Prominent Member

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    I mean what those ex-spies or kgb officers expect ? They go around bashing their country and disclosing secret stuff, publishing books etc haha :D
     
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    britishguy Prominent Member

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    Sure you are right but at least its full of intrigue and plots on plots and it's going to run and run

    Makes better news than Britney & Paris:eek:
     
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    iatbm Prominent Member

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    I heard somewhere that Finnish and Polish secret service did this ;)

    Yes interesting news and a lot of speculation comes from happenings lately. Seems Russia is to blame at first but then again some Italians come in and italian mafia...etc ... lately it looks like some business clash and not Putin responsibility after all ....
     
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    Possible these guys operate in very covert ways and places
     
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    Yes I never heard of finnish secret service before so they must be secret :D
     
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    The media and police chase is focusing on Andrei Lugovoy

    Since November 20, one of the most intriguing personages in the abovementioned list is Andrei Lugovoy. He is interesting as such, because he had once served in one of the most privileged and classified bodies of the Russian special services, being in the secrets of several key figures of the first post-Soviet decade in the history of his country. He had been in a close contact with then high-ranking representatives of the foreign security bodies. But all the abovesaid is not the main point. Important stage in his career was linked to two oligarchs, who had enormous influence within the entourage of the first Russian President Boris Yeltsin, and who found themselves in disgrace and fled abroad when Vladimir Putin came to power. It is noteworthy that while working with the oligarchs, Lugovoy did not break up ties with his former colleagues, who were still in service. Then, after the change of power, he stayed in Russia, unlike Litvinenko, and became a businessman, whose range of activity included security sphere. At this stage Lugovoy continued keeping in touch with the fugitive oligarchs, making no secret of this fact. He claims that such contacts did not provoke any interest of the Russian secret services.
    Many find it suspicious that it was this person, who communicated with Alexander Litvinenko the day he was poisoned, on November 1. On December 4, a group of representatives of the British Police Antiterrorist Department SO15 arrived in Moscow. Its main goal is to question Lugovoy. In spite of the fact that he is not hiding, willingly talks to journalists, and shows readiness to cooperate with the investigators, a lot of newspapers, and some of Litvinenko’s friends, see him as the main suspect.
    Presence of such a suspect brilliantly fits in both scenarios of the much publicized London murder. Those who accuse Russian secret services of carrying it out, make an accent on the fact that Lugovoy had never broken up ties with his former colleagues, and during the last years he has been carrying on business in Moscow without any obstacle, regardless of his ties with Putin’s main opponents. Those who hold to the opposite version, use almost the same argument. They note that not long ago Lugovoy was thought to be a close confidant of the fugitive oligarchs, and continued keeping in touch with them till the present days. On the other hand, given his past in service, he was allegedly very suitable to carry out Litvinenko’s poisoning, aiming at discrediting the Russian secret services and the FSB former director, the President Vladimir Putin.
    The only thing that can be ascertained unequivocally is the fact that this whole discussion has given Lugovoy a world-wide fame. However, regardless of this boom around him and of the fact that he had already been in the center of a much publicized story five years ago, there is still very poor information concerning the past and the present of this person. Almost all available data about him comes out of two sources: the November 22 publication in the Moscow Kommersant edition, and the interview with Lugovoy on Ekho Moskvy radio two days later. The rest is the short interviews with him concerning Litvinenko’s poisoning, and rather shallow references to him in connection to the same story or to the former Aeroflot directorship’s financial fraud.
    Information concerning Lugovoy himself in two abovementioned sources can be combined into a few lines of printed text. Moreover, almost all of it is about the years 1987-1997. It is unsaid when and where he was born, and what he was doing prior to 1987. The period after 1997 is described very poorly, and nothing new is added to what was previously published. For this reason, the evidence voiced by one of Lugovoy’s former subordinates is of a particular interest. The AIA managed to contact him last week, and he told us some previously unknown details about his former boss’ past. Most interesting details concern the 1990s. Completing this information by those facts that were drawn from the open sources, we have managed to make a more or less consistent picture about the past of one of the main and the most mysterious personages in Litvinenko’s case.
    http://www.axisglobe.com/article.asp?article=1152
     
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    What is Litvinenko himself was playing with polonium ....
     
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    Something don't know exactly what, tells me that is not what happened Litvinenko was a Jew who was aligned with the oligarchs who held business and political power pre Putin

    I cannot see that Litvinenko would be trying to 'take out' enemies I think the likely scenario is that Putin is pulling the strings remember this present exchange started with the gunning down in the street of
    Anna Politkovskaya
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Politkovskaya
    because she was going to blow the lid off what has been happening in Chechnya
    Litvinenko was a friend of Politkovskaya and he picked up the story on Chechnya after the assassination of Politkovskaya

    I think for sure Litvinenko like Politkovskaya was taken out probably by the same agents.

    I think Sacramella is a 'makeweight' but Lugovoy is a 'big wheel' and although he was formally the bodyguard to Yagor Gaidar, a former KGB colonel, a bodyguard to
    Boris Berezovsky
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Berezovsky

    Logovoy has for a number of years had his feet 'in both camps' the KGB and the Oligarchs

    Litvinenko said before his death that Lugovoy was the owner of "a private security bureau” in Moscow and had the capital of 1 million dollars. Litvinenko’s friends believe that such money Lugovoy could earn only with the assistance of the Russian secret services.

    Logovoy has the 'stamp' of an assassin

    He could be the killer of Litvinenko
     
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    Detectives following up on the Polonium 210 trail have confirmed that every venue in different locations where traces of Polonium 210 have been found
    have also been the same places that have been visited by Dmitry Kovtun coincidentally all on, or around the time that Polonium 210 has been found, or in line with the suspected time that the Polonium 210 was left at the various places

    Kovtun is being looked at very closely as it appears he may soon become a suspect who was involved in the murder of Litvinenko
     
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    News just in :eek:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6169193.stm
     
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    Wow.. this is almost like the bird flue hysteria :shrug:
     
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