Discussion on MFA sites

Discussion in 'AdSense' started by superrichguy, Nov 19, 2007.

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    I wonder if anyone feels the same way as I do? But I dont see whats so wrong with MFA sites I guess? I mean at least from an advertisers point of view. In theory it should be bringing in relevant clicks to my site. (assuming I had a site like that) And all in all that is what adwords is about right?

    I mean you put a label on a site "MFA" But in essence arent all the sites running adsense on made to put adsense on them? If they arent then why not just not put adsense on it? Build a site cause you love the site. Not everything is about money.

    I wonder why webmasters dont like these sites? None of my sites have been hurt by them from what I know. Maybe someone can change my mind on my view?

    Oh and for clarification I dont have any MFA sites.

    This is just my .02 feel free to comment and let me know your views.

    Oh and thanks for reading my long run on sentence...haha

    Jason
     
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    glendowney Notable Member

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    My opinion on MFA sites is that most of the information on these sites is useless. I'd much rather visit a site that has hade time and effort spent on it and that offers me what I am looking for, than something that has been thrown together just so the owner can make some extra $$$
     
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    astup1didiot Notable Member

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    MFA's are the scourge of the online advertising industry and are one of the many reasons revenue isn't where it could be.
     
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  4. superrichguy

    superrichguy Well-Known Member

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    This is true, but that can be said about a million other sites on the net. I mean when I search on google for something it usually takes me going to 15 different sites and those arent even MFA sites. Google works so hard on thier PR algorythm they should work harder on thier search function.

    How would it be higher paying if their werent MFA sites? I guess maybe I dont understand how it affects the revenue we do get?
     
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    Adpubster Peon

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    They need to be purged and banned from the index (and the web in general) They (talking ones specifically for arbitrage with no useful content here) do nothing for anyone except funnel traffic. What do they do for the visitor as far as providing useful content?

    BS...you need to look at when the site was created. For example, the basic content of my site has been served online for close to 15 years prior to the creation of adsense. Can't really call that MFA can you?

    Because most are just the proliferation of crap, create useless sites, gum up the indexes, and in general don't provide a single piece of info to the VISITOR (the most important component of the web audience)
     
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    danimal Active Member

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    adwords advertisers can set up conversion stats on their accounts, so that google knows if a site is sending quality traffic that converts... but what happens when your site is good for conversions? it'll cost the advertiser more, and you'll make more money.

    mfa'ers operate by not giving good conversion stats, because that would raise their cost per click.

    ads get ranked in part by how often they will get clicked, so mfa'ers use deceptive and misleading ad text to improve their rankings in the ad block.
     
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  7. superrichguy

    superrichguy Well-Known Member

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    Ok maybe I didnt write that correctly. I meant for an advertiser he/she is getting relevant clicks from the MFA sites.
    And I have to agree that they dont do anything useful but maybe funnel the traffic to a useful site in thier ads. But then again the search engine isnt that much better, like i stated I need to go to 10-15 different sites to find the useful info I need, I think that should be put on googles search engine. Not on the MFA

    No of course not, you cant call it an MFA site. But then why would you wanna funnel traffic away from your site? Maybe your site has the info they need buried somewhere and the user just needs to search, but you put an ad that states what they are looking for hence a lost soul. (im not trying to argue, i do have adsense too. I just wanna hear opinions and state mine n such)


    Right but like I said, google has worked so hard on a useless algorythm for thier PR that they should point efforts to thier search tool to weed out sites like that. And yes the visitor is the most important but isnt it useful if they go to a MFA site and see the ad they were looking for? Its still usefull in a way. Like you said it funnels the traffic to the right source since google obciously cant....


    Hmm I guess I dont quite follow you? I thought they cant fudge the conversion rates? That is all by adsense right? Ok maybe i do get what your saying?? haha im lost. but are you saying the MFA'ers are also advertisers on Adwords? If that is the case, then adsense should weed those out as well. They have enough money to do it.

    Thanks for the replies. Like I said Im just looking for answers, not trying to get on anyones bad side....
     
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    90% of websites made by the dp members are mfa.
     
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  9. superrichguy

    superrichguy Well-Known Member

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    I wouldnt doubt it, but I would like some of them to chime in too.
    I have a few sites with Adsense, but most of my sites are porn...so no adsense allowed. And my adsense sites I dont believe they are MFA well my myspace codes site, that I was gonna develop on I think might be considered MFA? Not really sure though on the clarifications?
     
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    i'd say MFA websites are targetted just for internet users that aren't too used with Internet surfing. they will see a site and click ads by mistake, but you can't earn too much from a MFA website. instead of making something like that... try to create something unique that will get you many visitors each day.
     
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    wowhaxor Banned

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    I hate MFA sites, unless theyre mine. They screw adsense users by bigging really low on clicks so they convert and make a profit without having to build their SERPs. However I run several MFA sites and its a big chunk of my internet money.
     
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  12. superrichguy

    superrichguy Well-Known Member

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    Oh, im not making any of those. I was just wondering what all the hub bub was for those sites.

    haha at least your honest about hating them. But I dont understand the bidding part? what do you mean they bid low? So they are also adwords users as well? Doesnt make much sense to me to have a site with nothing but ads on it and then turn around and pay for ads so people can click ads? Im confused
     
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    Funniest comment yet in this thread :D
     
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    Can you prove that? MFA's are killing revenue for their niches, but not everybody.
     
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    mh.. I am planning to make MFA site too.. dedicated server hosting blog.
     
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    superrichguy Well-Known Member

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    I would like to see the proof as well. I mean everyone is saying MFA this MFA that. But I havent seen anything from google saying.
    All I hear are my brothers friends cousin...
    Well my friends brothers cousins uncles daughters boyfriends grandpas said that if you type in google backwards twelve times and send that message you will see in your mailbox 2 checks instead of one.
    All hearsay
     
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    The biggest problem is that the MFAs are often ALSO ADVERTISING. So, what you get is crap ads on your legit site, directing visitors to a USELESS site that has nothing but ads or pre-populated searches. They use deceptive techniques (ad copy that sounds like a great site but is either wrong or misleading) THOSE are the MFAA sites that are the worst. When visitors go to an MFA site and see ads that look like just the thing they are looking for (but which are deceptive, leading to yet another MFA site) then visitors become wary of ads and begin to not click on the valid ones, too, the valid ads on non-MFA sites...and then everything starts to go to hell in a handbasket.
     
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    They eat revenue that will could be earning, think of how much they earn, between the 1,000,000's of them out there. Lets say this..

    MFA Sites Live: 1,000,003
    Each Site Earns: $0.75 Daily Average

    That is $750,000 a day that is being wasted from advertisers.
     
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    danimal Active Member

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    what if they don't define any conversion at all for their ads? or is it possible for them to define a conversion that's very difficult to make? neither of those things will help your epc.

    to be fair, a lot of adwords advertisers don't define a conversion either, tho.
     
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