Discover who you should vote for in 2008

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Will.Spencer, Sep 27, 2007.

  1. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #41
    Me too! I'm the webmaster of Nuclear Power Now. :)

    Do you agree with all of thee descriptions of Ron Paul's stances listed above?

    I'm going to have to "wedge" some of them a bit to get them into the more honest and straightforward format used by the form.
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #42
    How about an option that says only the smart realize that our votes dont count anymore:).
    Also how about an option that says we need to overhaul the influence that the power interests have in the policies of our politicians so as to nuetralize the will of the american people:).
     
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  3. DevilHellz

    DevilHellz Well-Known Member

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    #43
    I'm not an American, but i think from all these candidates i support Giuliani.
    To be specific tho, as i don't follow US politics THAT much, i support same sex marriage and same sex civil unions legalized in all states, i support the war in Iraq, i support actions being taken against Iran, I am for legalized abortion, I am for keeping Guantanamo facility.
    I support whoever stands up by these points.
     
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  4. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #44
    Well the difference from other moonbats ( ;) ) is that he has been principled in his core beliefs throughout his career. Relative to other politicians, he's about as honest, forthright and squeaky clean as they come. I think a lot of people marginalize him for the conspiracy stuff, and don't listen closely enough to the message about state's rights, big government, taxation and the free market.

    If Briant and Tesla were around, I'm sure they are pretty up on his policies. These days Fletch and I seem to be the resident experts on Paul policy. Lord knows I've listened to over 100 hours of speeches and interviews.

    Jackuul Empire! :D

    They look good to me. Basically, Paul (Dr. No) is against most government initiatives or federally driven social reforms.

    I think it's really cool you are doing this. I hoped my Republican debate would take off, and it didn't, but it's cool to see people in this forum collaborating to help refine your project. Very Web 2.0
     
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  5. omgitsfletch

    omgitsfletch Well-Known Member

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    #45
    As far as Dr. Paul's stances, I support almost all of them. I'm against him on abortion, although given his position, I can see where he's coming from; I just respectfully disagree on the matter. The only other issues I'm not entirely sure on is his stance on network neutrality and the environment. I need to read more into network neutrality, and I'm not entirely sure that totally ignoring and de-regulating control of the environment is going to be good for the immediate future, and the distant future.
     
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  6. Jackuul

    Jackuul Well-Known Member

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    #46
    I am wholeheartedly against two internets (or more). It should remain ICANN controlled, and uninterrupted. It is absolute BULL if an ISP can decide where you can and cannot go because you pay them for net service - this is what is at stake.
     
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    bogart Notable Member

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    #47
    Jeb Bush on the issues
    http://www.ontheissues.org/Jeb_Bush.htm

    [​IMG]
     
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    Realm Well-Known Member

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    #48
    Top three nearest candidates based on your answers:
    1. Clinton
    2. Kucinich
    3. Huckabee
     
    Realm, Oct 1, 2007 IP
  9. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #49
    Hey, it sounds like you're voting for me! :D
     
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    debunked Prominent Member

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    #50
    He seems to be all talk though, is there anything he has accomplished?
    Does he have a voting record - I hear he has missed many votes, but don't know if it is true or not.

    Like I said, what I have heard him say sounds great, but is there any action or backbone? (serious asking a question, which hoping someone could answer.)
     
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  11. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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  12. omgitsfletch

    omgitsfletch Well-Known Member

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    #52
    As far as voting, I'm not sure about the number of missed votes. I do know a few other key things about his actions in Congress:

    -He has NEVER voted to raise taxes

    -He voted against the Iraq War and the Patriot Act originally. Part of the reason he voted against the Patriot Act is he did not have time to read the bill. You've probably heard some other members of Congress state that they only had 15 minutes before they voted on the bill, so they did not get to read the entire bill. Dr. Paul's reasoning? If you don't know what the bill says, why the hell would you vote for it?

    -He earmarks funding for his congressional district in appropriations and budget bills, and then later votes against the bills. The reasoning behind this is that he needs to make sure some of his constituent's tax dollars come back to them, but at the same time he disagrees with the budget and spending. The bills always pass anyway with a supermajority. This is one really unique facet of Paul's actions in Congress: he has to represent his constituents to stay in office and do good, but at the same time he disagrees with the spending.

    //I'll try to think up some more actions.
     
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    debunked Prominent Member

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    #53
    I like his vote record and it does reflect his stated belief of government getting out of our lives.

    I am surprised that any liberal says they support him, the only thing that I see getting that support is the alignment (perceived or real) to CT's and truthers. I can't see any reason why someone like AGS would like him besides that. Maybe it is what has been said in his speeches, maybe he is a quack and that is why. I will have to listen to some (arggg.. I hate politics and political speeches)
     
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  14. omgitsfletch

    omgitsfletch Well-Known Member

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    #54
    A lot of liberals are jumping ship because they don't like the candidates on their own side. Sure, they are predominantly anti-war, but that's just one issue. I think a lot of Democrats feel that both parties are for the most part growing the size of government, and they don't like it and see Ron Paul as the best choice.

    I used to be liberal leaning. I was registered to vote as no party affiliation, but generally I sided with Democrats a slight bit more on issues. Over time, I've changed my mind on a lot of things, most predominantly that government seems to fuck up a lot of the social programs meant to help the country, and I've become much more conservative in the sense that I think government should not be using my tax dollars for all sorts of blunders across the board.

    This is why Ron Paul captures a lot of people from both sides: he represents a lot of Republican AND Democratic values; he's pro-life, believes in a limited government, and is against gun control, but at the same time is against this war and federal restrictions on abortion and gay marriage.

    I also feel he is bringing in a lot of young and formerly apathetic voters. His voting record, whether or not you agree with him on the issues, is very in line with his stated views, and he is inspiring a lot of people who have never cared for politics to get involved. These people are seeing a candidate who doesn't fit the mold of your typical politician, and a man who is very much in support of following the Constitution and limited government, and it has a lot of support amongst young people who are just becoming adults and want the government to stay out of their lives.



    P.S. If you really want some debate or speech footage, let me know. I can find some ideal videos that really represent what Ron Paul stands for, and help to rationalize his stance on a lot of debatable issues.
     
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    #55
    The part that concerns me the most is the extreme desire to push this guy from those who are anti-semitic, anti-bush, anti-christian. There is something that draws that crown to him.

    I could care less if someone is anti-bush, except that those who hate bush and blame him for everything or in other words, seem to have a life based on their hatred for a man.

    But why do these extremists find Ron Paul to be their man? Is it because he is also an extremist? The site says he is a protestant, but it seems all politicians find they need to have a christian/catholic label to get votes.
     
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  16. Pauline

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    #56
    I completely agree with this comment. However, this is a great idea, just needs a bit of refinement. Great job so far! :D
     
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  17. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #57
    Thats funny the main reason I don't like ron paul is his views on religion

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html
     
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    debunked Prominent Member

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    #58
    How does it effect you personally? Do you need to have all Christmas decorations gone to be happy? Curious to know why some hate Christmas sooooo much that they want it outlawed.


    What I hate about Christmas is the pagan garbage added like the santa claus- the guy they call St. Nicholas who they say santa is based on would hate what they did with the Christmas celebration by adding santa claus.

    I shot the santa, but I didn't shoot the elves you see.. oh no.. (sung to the tune of "I shot the sheriff")

    So, maybe you should take your santa and run to another country, don't forget your elves though.
     
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  19. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #59
    I don't care about christmas

    he doesn't think religion and government should be separate
     
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  20. omgitsfletch

    omgitsfletch Well-Known Member

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    #60
    Ron Paul's religious viewpoint is strangely appealing to me. He's definitely a strong Christian, he's not just slapping the title on his name. He uses his Christian beliefs to justify a lot of his personal beliefs, such as the just war doctrine, some of the reason he's against abortion (life begins at conception), and his personal view on marriage (man + woman only).

    What captures me is that while he has his personal views, he keeps them entirely separate from his legislative views. He won't support a marriage amendment defining marriage as a man and a woman, he won't support federal banning of abortion, and he doesn't argue against the Iraq war on his religious grounds. Why?

    He uses the rule of law, the Constitution, to decide what our government should and should not do, and for me that is a powerful statement. He's basically saying, through his votes, "I will not let my personal beliefs taint what our government legislates; I will vote firstly based on what powers the government explicitly has granted to it, and then use my personal beliefs second."

    So as a strong atheist, and someone who doesn't believe people should make laws based solely on what their religion commands them to support, I can fully back a man with personal views almost completely opposite my own.
     
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