I have the same question to others. I always RED him at the earliest opportunity with a smile -But it seems my red alone is not enough to make him red. He seems to have a network- whenever he is in RED - he seems to turn green in few hrs. Certainly he is working as frontman for some others.
Just for the fun of it I will reply to your comments. I managed to have some free times, so I will waste it with you. Keep in mind that as i'm writing a reply all i want is to have a health discussion of different opinions. Are you Google's Prophet sent to earth to warm us of the final days? It will never be true[/B]. Google cant' afford to ban all directories it is not in its best interest nor does Google wants to do it. As long you keep doing what you're you will be fine. Why are you so Obsessed with Google anyways? There is no way to have perfect world why would directory be an exception? Anywhere you go there is always good and bad not matter what you do you will have this problem. Even Google with all its means can't get rid of bigger problems, I just think you're wasting your time trying to "clean" this business. Just focus with your directories and I see no reason why Google would not like you at some point in the future. You're confusing yourself time and time again with your own words. Please have your "principles" together then start talking otherwise you expose yourself to weaknesses that you're not aware. One more thing: Your words are empty if you can't provide concrete proof or examples of what you believe or have done in this business. Can you please give us a name of a directory that your proud of? Once you get this info, I'm pretty sure many people will respect your thinking and your work. I really admire you how strong you're with your beliefs, I have no doubt you could be great example for others to follow. I wish you the best and I hope to see some of your directories become top quality in the near future. Waiting for your reply!!!
Well, it's either that the 'anti-directory trolls' are supporting him/her with green or (like me) everybody has put him/her on their ignore list.
Mmmm, does him being on my ignore list negate any red I gave him? He has a slave labour force so they are probably members here and have to give him regular green to keep their jobs?
what penalty? i've yet to read of an official response from gaygle themselves. regardless and suffice to say, i am still reviewing and approving links and not spending every minute on the forums with asinine posting like yourself.
same here .. .i always try to find the opportunity ... unfortunately for all the past days it was telling me you must spread some more before giving it to him again but fortunately right now it let me red him again lol. I dont think he will have problem distinguishing mine as i always leave my name.
I started off as a buyer in this market in 2004. And I still work on a few of my own sites as well as some belonging to a couple of clients I have picked up along the way and who I link build for. But it did not take me long to figure out that it offers no long term value. That's when I came up with the idea for the workshop. Its simple, add people with a genuine purpose and there is no reason your farm cant go organic. I am preparing for the time Google devalues directories. They have no other alternative. People like anOn are shameless. They understand one thing and one thing only. I never bothered posting here previously because its always had a rep for catering to trolls with sharp teeth and its sad to see how really twisted its all become. Why am I so obsessed with Google? Because they are the market for back links and they can kill that with a click of their fingers. They also have every reason to do just that, right here on this forum. You don't have to delve any deeper to find everything that's rotten with this industry. You bet. But its not going to be so easy without that $250 per directory that we need. However its small change and it will just take us a little longer to raise it locally through conventional advertising. The other thing I will have to do is to spread into other communities along the coast which in the end might not be such a bad thing. However it does take a lot of excitement and fun out of it. I have never forgotten watching a documentary on a project they ran in the streets of New Delhi, I think it was. It took some of those street kids no more than six minutes to get onto the net and to start mentoring each other. That's exciting stuff. On the other-hand what I have found here is the opposite side of the coin. Greed, arrogance and crass stupidity. Its sad. Its a bit like the war. So senseless. I had my first taste of that at age eighteen and have been looking for that piece of paper ever since. Now I have two youngsters and there are only two things I hope to teach them. One is that war is for other people and two is that there is nothing wrong in picking up other peoples litter. Maybe they will one day find that piece of paper that I have been searching for all these years. Yes its in my signature. The fact that you cant see what I see, is the point I am trying to make. Its just a communication thing. Perfectly normal. Nothing to worry about, its just that I would prefer to have flies in my eyes rather than peanut brittle on my chin. Occasionally I get an anonymous green but most of the time its people who say very little but who are not shy to sign their names. Understand however I am not here to win any popularity contests. I believe its time to say my piece and the redder I get the better I will feel. My directories look the way they do because I don't want anyone to think I am one with the "boys". I want this all on public record. I have introduced two people to this forum. The one will have nothing to do with it. He is the serious type. The other cant get her account verified and that's just a women thing. Sorry to disappoint you but that green is all organically grown and what it says is that despite all the yapping and the noise there are more of us than there are of you. Does that mean that there is a future for directories? I don't think so but what the heck.......... I just wonder where the moderators are when the cats begin to sing. For f***s sake get a life.
Workshop, in a nuetral way i don't understand you making that statement, as i can not understand some one who is so passionate about and speaking up for the quality of directories as per say and working hard to spread a message of the correct way for all moving forward (as you see it) but then say's they hold little hope for the future of directories. As for Google i realy fail see what the continued focus or worry with them is about, from my view only, it seems some may have manipulated their business in an attempt to profit from that manipulation, that said anyone running a directory who builds it on a genuine basis need not fear or worry about them. What i do like about Google's management team is they are not afraid to play hard ball if needed, those are qualities of good strong management not the actions of some some whimpy bunch of school kids. good on them for that approach, one i can agree with. Google have no more power over your directory as i have no power to tell you ( Workshop example only ) that you need to place a yellow background on your site because i don't like white. It's simply none of my business. Further to that my views on google are that i see them as valuable asset to my business in that i will be using thier adsense service very heavily as part of my advertising programe, because it is a very good advertising / promotion decission from where i sit. I will also use and impliment adwords but not in most ways i have seen used, I will be ( after final testing ) using thier new checkout options for my directory business as the system they have in place suits my business best at this point and is very good. I will be using their analitics (S) options, of which i was unaware of and will probably work with one of thier advisers on this section, once again i see it as a valuable tool to tell me about my business. The restis up to me, to build an honest business without trying to look for shortcuts that would see the business abuse the rules of another business. With that the directory business is very much alive and will prosper moving forward.
This thread is fun to follow ... but sometimes it just makes me sleepy. Let there be peace. Google will do what is needed, but directories have always been on the Net and those who add value for their constituents will continue to succeed. There are many here on this forum who can be very proud of the useful value their quality directories provide and the hard work invested.
The question is whether we are ever going to do anything about link litter and the fact that some people think they are untouchable. I have given you two examples of the sort of garbage directory owners on this forum are OK with as well as the sort of directories they continue to promote as "quality directories" and you haven't got the balls to stick your neck out and say what should be said. Google is playing a waiting game and every single directory owner needs to decide where they stand. If you think its all about traffic let it ride because it soon will be. On the other-hand if you recognise its an industry that's built on back links and Google's serp's its now time to tell anOn where to stick it. This is someone who should know better but its interesting to note that he is at last doing a review before approving and listing cyber trash in his directory.
It's not a matter of balls, as i can and do call things straight, getting older leaves me little time for drawn out chatter. I suppose for me i do not completley know the true facts behind any directory in question, and in that i would rather not comment on what i may or may not think, second to that it really is their business not mine nor does it sit in the general discussion on the topic, sorry to disapoint.
As I said as long as you believe its just about traffic and the end user you have nothing to worry about. But someone must own the thousands upon thousands of directories that are scattered throughout the cyber world, others host them and there are others who fix, clip and keep them ship shape. Its time! And if we don't do or say anything we will have no one but ourselves to blame. How many are still waiting for PR to update or have you all kissed your sticky money goodbye? I wonder how much of it found its way into anOn's offshore bank account?
$250 per directory like this one (ecoguides.net/directory) ? Wow- you got the balls I must say- Just who will pay/advertise on it only you know. Usually there are two ways -to earn from directories - AdSense or Webmasters. If you put AdSense on it- it becomes MFA according to you - isn't Julie? ( I am assuming that you are the project manager mentioned on ur site - so you won't have balls, sorry about that). On the other-hand you offer nothing/no value in every sense to a webmaster who would be interested to pay you. The BS about you and your directory is that --the editorial integrity you try to talk about (though I don't think you know what it is) -- is absent on your directory. I have not found any guidelines to prospective clients. Just $10 for Featured, $10 for Regular/Reciprocal. Reciprocal links - has not Google, (the guidelines you so much talk about) banned reciprocal links? So much for your SHOUTING here on DP- All BS. It seems a directory owned by a money shark- who would list just anything and which has no policy/guidelines. Now talk about transparency -what do you mean by that word? If you understand the word- check if your directory offers that to prospective clients! NOPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE - If you so much care about transparency - accuse others of lacking it- where is it present on your directory? Answer all these questions -if you have the answers. Otherwise stop BSing on the forums and work hard on developing the points I raised so that you can talk about them.
This is just the point. I should be able to call chetan without being subject to the torrent of personal abuse that greets anyone from outside. He is well liked, even respected here. I have no problem with that but his sites should appear on a list of "Quality" sites that are run by a directory owner who has no problem with links litter and promoting web spam. Similarly at the other end of the spectrum Aviva should appear on a list of "Quality" sites which will list Made For Adsense as long as its not MFA. These guys are free to run their sites any way they see fit but when they start promoting themselves as "Authority Sites" that carry the same weight as Yahoo and Dmoz they are pushing the envelope a bit too far. Professionals who understand that the value in any link is its long term prospects. Besides the back link what other value is there? The only difference between that directory and Aviva are the prospects for the future and its anyone's guess which one is going to make it to finish line. I would put my money on Eco Guides. But that goes without saying. Look at the content rather. You shouldn't believe everything you read. I could show you some real pearlers in some of the so called family friendly sites that are promoted extensively on this one. The fact that we don't publish our guidelines means that we will refund submissions if anyone submits a site that we consider to be inappropriate but when we do eventually get around to it, it will be a different story.
What a joke again- Only your directory - which is on a sub-domain offers long-term value --how long has it been online? And you BS Alive and Aviva which has been providing the value for more than 2 years? You mean only your directory/directories provide long-term link value ad all other directories are short-lived? Why do you avoid my questions about your so called transparency/editorial integrity/Google guidelines? Yor always try to talk about those things- but sadly your directory is no-where near to follow them. And you think you offer long-term value to webmasters and we don't? Who are you fooling with?
Not interested in your lovers tiff but would like to see proof of any ´value´ these beloved Alivedirectory and Avivadirectory link farms have ever given anyone? Really bugs me that one, WHERE´S THE PROOF of long term ´VALUE´.
Man man man--- My if my lovers don't offer value, can you show me which directory/directories offer? Thats another topic of discussion-that demands a separate thread -isn't? Just what do we understand -by way of VALUE offered by a directory? Is it sending traffic? My stats show that Aviva sends mst traffic than any directory I have listed and yes- I only listed to old directories like Wowdirectory, JoeAnt, Uksmallbusinessdirectry etc. Alive sends me as much traffic as any other directory there online. So --its the same for every-one. Is it improvement in SERPs? If you can show me -prove that listing on particular directories ( forgetting Alive & Aviva) would improve my SERPs- I would gladly do it. Please list them here or if there is a problem PM me the list. My point is Alive & Aviva are as good as any other directory or as bad as any other directory. Why is conshop BSing them/singling them out? Rand Fishkin is a real man- he talks about the industry- and do not single out a few to suffice one's own narrow interest.