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Directory Owners VS. SEOMOZ/Rand Fishkin - My answer to him

Discussion in 'Directories' started by jhnrang, Jul 26, 2007.

  1. Fahd

    Fahd Well-Known Member

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    #41
    Yeah, I mean from the whole domain. Number of outgoing links versus actual useful content to users is extraordinarily high and I'm sure the search engines will be able to detect it soon if not already.
     
    Fahd, Jul 30, 2007 IP
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    SilkySmooth Well-Known Member

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    #42
    The Google Guidelines state 100 links per page last time I checked, not per domain.
     
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    jhnrang Notable Member

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    Have you ever visited Google's webmasters guidelines and read the guidelines?:rolleyes: It seems you just opened a website --browse the net--find articles on the net writen by those type of bogus SEOs -Traffic Traffic-Traffic. Anyhow traffic -- even at the expense of others:mad:

    Go and read Googles webmaster guidelines --or my answers to Rand(i) - I cited authoritative source --all links are there --visit all those links.

    Hey Silky-- yes mate - it is still 100 links per page-- I checked it while I was compiling the article.:cool:
     
    jhnrang, Jul 31, 2007 IP
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    Freewebspace Notable Member

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    #44
    I think these SEO's are alarmed as directories are eating into their profits!

    Buying links on few quality directories is helping sites to comeup in the rankings very easily.
    That's why these SEO's do n't like directories ,and say that directories are only link farms!
     
    Freewebspace, Jul 31, 2007 IP
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    uttoransen Prominent Member

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    #45
    nice post jhnrang! that blog post of seomoz was just to get some link bait by going againest the directories! good to see some fight back, cheers!:)
     
    uttoransen, Aug 1, 2007 IP
  6. jhnrang

    jhnrang Notable Member

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    #46
    I think you are spot on. Now -with so many high quality directories on the web- SEO has become a lot easier and cheaper to webmasters.
    One can rank good for some keywords - even sub-pages for a fraction of fees that ere once very difficult for webmasters.

    Thanks buddy. Apprecite you encouraging comments. I'll try to write some more posts in the coming days. But these type of posts are really time killing --as they involve lots of research.

    I am no Rand(is) -to just post anything - I like to provide authoritative proofs to support my points.
     
    jhnrang, Aug 1, 2007 IP
  7. maldives

    maldives Prominent Member

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    #47
    Which SEO's you are referring to?? :confused:

    Rand and his group also own some directories. ;)
     
    maldives, Aug 1, 2007 IP
  8. Freewebspace

    Freewebspace Notable Member

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    #48
    Yes!

    Most of us and webmasters know what is meant by SEO and how to get top rankings.(Best example is some directories getting into the top rankings for the keyword 'web directory')

    Only a few who does not know about it go for SEO companies

    of late you can rank very well for some keywords if you are listed in some of the quality directories.

    SEO companies are slowly losing market as even newbie knows about my means of SEO and other things by forums like these and link building and submission to directories.

    Nowdays only top websites and some new websites are choosing SEO companies for link building and directory submission.

    The SEO's charge heavily for this
    Directory submission:
    For example a 100 directory submission may cost about $5 here (digitalpoint)
    but the same 100 directory submission done by SEO's is $45

    See how they profit.


    link building:
    SEO's also buy links for their client websites on some directories.They charge more than double the times for it.

    Now days Webmaster's instead on wasting the money on SEO's they prefer to do it directory and link submissions individually as they can save a lot of money on it but at the same time they can direct their efforts towards development of a site by investing some money into the site,instead of giving to SEO's.

    They are alarmed at this as it is eating on their profits.

    Rand is actually trying to be smart by saying directories are garbage as he also said that only some directories are stronger.

    His actual intention is to impress upon webmasters that he is the only one having a list of quality directories and not others.

    So most webmaster would sign up SEO's for a high fees for the purpose of link building and directory submission. (over $1000 P/M under the guise of link building and SEO)

    SEO's would submit to a few quality directories( about 300) for under $300 would pocket the rest for themselves.

    But they would be charging the same $1000 monthly for that.

    Some days back Rand has visited Google and Yahoo. Let us see what happens and what was the outcome of that visit.(He would definitely said some thing bad about directories to Matt and others.)

    Let is wait and see what happens in this PR update.
     
    Freewebspace, Aug 1, 2007 IP
  9. jhnrang

    jhnrang Notable Member

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    @Freewebspace

    Maan-- you certainly done your home-work -- and spoiled my next post on my blog:(

    Anyway --superb evaluation.

    Yes you are absolutely correct in each and every of your words.

    He is hiding a list of web-directories --and dismissing real quality directories.:mad:

    The biggest Quick Buck Crew member I see around:rolleyes:
     
    jhnrang, Aug 1, 2007 IP
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    Nystul Well-Known Member

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    #50
    A good read. thanks !
     
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  11. malcolm1

    malcolm1 Prominent Member

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    #51
    Hello...

    Good View Freewebspace...

    SEOs as you say are in fact the middlemen but they can offer a directory
    some nice sites as most clients are the larger corporations that hire this work
    out and will always be thier as the demand is thier...

    As for his visit to the google plex and yahoo...

    Hopefully he brought back some correct data to entertain his friends...:)

    thx
    malcolm
     
    malcolm1, Aug 1, 2007 IP
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    jhnrang Notable Member

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    Hi Malcolm--

    I agree with you that Multinational corporations hire those SEOs.
    But previously - even small and medium companies were hiring them. But now - those client's are slowly weeding out.
    Thats what Freewebspace is saying - or atleast thats what I understand and agree with. They are loosing a lot client base.
     
    jhnrang, Aug 1, 2007 IP
  13. malcolm1

    malcolm1 Prominent Member

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    #53
    I beg to differ....:eek:

    It would seem some people will pay premium price especially larger corporations...

    Evidently he does get a few as this whole directory (issue thing) bares reflection of $cha-ching$ involved ;)


    Ps... you may want to read how to avoid Sticky Situations

    I rather enjoyed the article myself :D + shes a hottie! ;)

    thx
    malcolm
     
    malcolm1, Aug 4, 2007 IP
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    coolsitez Well-Known Member

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    #54
    And all those quality directories are his?

    I would like to see how quality his directories are ;)

    I wonder if he uses expired domains for those.
     
    coolsitez, Aug 4, 2007 IP
  15. malcolm1

    malcolm1 Prominent Member

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    #55
    You still be missing the point...

    Its not the issue whether he has or dont have directories..
    as thier are many ways or facets of doing SEO...

    1. article submissions
    2. blog (rss feeds)
    3. directory links
    4. forum postings
    5 viral marketing
    6. press releases
    7. videos
    8. bookmarks

    just to name a few.. and basically if you lower the standards of one
    (directories) then its a safe bet that the others will gain from it.. ;)

    While i myself may own a Directory Network
    that doesnt mean i dont/wont offer
    my clients these resources mentioned above :)


    thx
    malcolm
     
    malcolm1, Aug 4, 2007 IP
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    EducationLinks Well-Known Member

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    #56
    Um, I have a silly question:

    Who cares about Rand Fishkin?

    He's no better or smarter than anyone here, so why even waste time worrying about his comments? All you are doing is giving him the attention and puclicity that he so obviously longs, whihc, in turn, brings him more business. If you REALLY want to get back at him, just completely IGNORE him.
     
    EducationLinks, Aug 4, 2007 IP
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    jhnrang Notable Member

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    #57
    It seems you are right. I have been following his directory related post and I can smell something fishy.

    Besides -- Yes - that post by the Hotties is very good indeed. Thanks for leading me to the hottie:p

    I also agree with what she said on the post there. But they are doing exactly opposite with my criticism.

    I have criticized them with 100% factual evidence and links. I also do not hide any of my sites ( except the directory I am experimenting with).

    Still they do not have the courage to participate in the debate either here or on my blog -to refute my points.

    And SILENCE means?????? Defeat.

    They know that they made a mistake --
    Rand would make himself proud if he accepts his mistake.
     
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  18. malcolm1

    malcolm1 Prominent Member

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    #58
    Im going to PM you some "stats" ... ;)

    thx
    malcolm
     
    malcolm1, Aug 4, 2007 IP
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    jhnrang Notable Member

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    #59
    Lemme tell ya something!

    We are as good SEO oursleves as Rand is.

    My post is ranking inside top 20 for the term seomoz -- and inside top 40 for rand fishkin.

    If all of you guys make one post each on your blog about how bad and unethical SEO rand practices on your excellent blogs--we can show the world the real thing.

    The real thing is --seomz is nothing but a big bluff.:D
     
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    malcolm1 Prominent Member

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    #60
    I dont see it as unethical ....

    As long as you dont violate any guildelines or ethics in the process
    then "Alls fair in luv and war"..

    SEO is what it is....

    Getting your site traffic and views for sales or to simply send a message to viewers.. lol
    NOTE: I may be changing a few off my keywords as well...

    thx
    malcolm
     
    malcolm1, Aug 4, 2007 IP