Digitalpoint Goes the SouthPark Way - No Inciting Of Hatred

With the Draw Muhammad day coming close I enquired whether our mod lords have any issues with cartoons being posted over here.

Check Out the thread here: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1800239

Seems Muslims always get what they want, they have a free run because people let them.

It's okay to post cartoons of Jesus, Buddha, Krishna or even Tiger Woods but not Honorable Muhammad whose our paragon of integrity.

Makes me wonder how many people here think that there's nothing wrong with Muslims telling us what we see or do and we need to give in to their every demand?

 

We are civilized? posting cartoons just to get the kicks and laughs? mockery is fun right?

 

Yes, we post cartoons for fun then what? We are not made for doing that, are we?

 

Freedom of speech is non-negotiable.
It seems that the people who run this forum do not understand how freedom of speech is what brought the science and technology required to bring such a forum into existence.
Muslim violence threats will not prevent draw Mo day from taking place.
The whole point of the draw Mo day is to demonstrate how Muslims threat one with violence every time he exercises his right of freedom of speech by criticizing their religion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7ok4njJXI8

 

I cannot blame him, and that's not about freedom of speech, but about having to run a large forum with only 20 moderators. Can you imagine the vast amount of reported posts this forum would receive?

 

Yawn....if you keep talking like that then I'll really get bored. Muslims leader don't want anything to be posted about their prophet anywhere (forum, newspaper, internet anywhere), I know that, YOU know that, everyone knows that.

No?

They told you (or rather DDOS'ed this site) to remove the Armenian Genocide (or whatever) thread and it got removed, now you can say it was removed because it was improper, but it was done only after you were threatened, indirectly they have definitely tried to tell you what to see or do; You got to see a black strip in South Park, no cartoons in NYT, CNN maybe you didn't want to see them (I bet you have seen them ;D) but even if you wanted to you weren't let..I can give a ton of example but you got the point.

Now, Draw Muhammad type days are just a way to tell the very same people who DDOS'd *YOU* that they cannot force their irrational beliefs on us. It's a way to send across a message to people like these:

[video=youtube;sbPYf4XOTLs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbPYf4XOTLs&feature=player_embedded[/video]

It's there to impose our freedom of expression over their barbarianism. Now people might get annoyed but thats not the motivation as you assume.

Now you don't give a shit about whats happening around you - How people come to your country, tell everyone what to do and follow it up with Violent death threats. You would rather get tanned in your yacht and booze around. Thats an ignorant and narrow way of thinking, but you are welcome to have such opinions nonetheless and also impose them on your forum (private property) and also call people who are concerned about it "bored". I'd definitely like to see America get rid of "bored" people and wait till we have 85 madaras in San Diego and your Girlfriend being made to walk around in a Burqa or threatened to be shot.

I wouldn't call you pro-Muslim but you seem to me as the kind of person who rather stay out of any sort of trouble (read: bow down), even if it means giving up your rights (as a part of the community) Proof:

"uh yes, by saying It's no wonder Muslims hate the rest of the world I want you to know that in no way did I mean It's no wonder Muslims hate the rest of the world...I meant to say something uh, well, something vague, like you know, not literal. I would also like to point out, uh, I would much rather be blown up by Muslims than be lynched by Christians."

More Proof:

Afraid to isolate Muslims for their actions? Pussy.

There should be a new attribute added to your profile badge. Pussiness Quotient : 160+

You get to call my family (who you no nothing about) pedophile and I get to call you (who I know a bit about) a Pussy. Fair enough?

 

I'm hard pressed to see starting a "Draw Mohammad Day" thread incites hatred. It incites people to do something that people of a particular belief system find offensive, but does that mean starting an "Eat Pork day" thread incites hatred of the Jews or a "Theory of Evolution Day" incites hatred against theists? I won't argue Helvetti's motives for creating the thread in the first place, but if we are going to start equating such speech to hatred, we need to start rounding up flamboyantly gay people who march in front of churches.There is a big difference between flaunting your right to be gay, or your right to draw the prophet Mohammad, and inciting violence by hate speech.

I personally find the threads that characterize members of the US military as baby killers extremely offensive, but I've never seen one of them closed. Why? I would never have requested it, and I don't think any other person who values free speech would do so either. On the other hand, I've seen more than a few threads created by Muslims on this forum containing thinly veiled threats of physical violence, worthy of being reported to the FBI, along with the poster's IP. I've never seen one of those threads closed, or the posts removed. I don't have the statistics, but the appearance is that the majority of the threads which get closed are those that might be found offensive to Muslims. Does that mean you have buckled to pressure, complaints, and threads of DDOS? Perhaps not, but the appearance remains the same.

If we are going to use such loose definitions of inciting hatred by speech, we would have to categorize at least 50% of the threads created in P&R as hate speech. If it isn't the Republicans telling the Democrats they are idiots, or the Democrats telling the Republicans they are heartless, then its the Christians telling the non-Christians they will burn in hell, or the Atheists telling the Theists they are morons.

 

bravo, yes you are so right.
I didn't choose my religion when born and also a lot of other things.

yeah right, must be similar for all religion and faith. anyway it's disapproved for people who aren't tolerable I think. sometimes have to be lenient to be comprehensive.

 

If I had time I would find a link to your interview in which you said that you believe all members should have freedom of speech otherwise moderators might as well converse among themselves. No idea which forum you were talking about, doesn't seem to be the case with DP. (Before you turn this into an intent issue again - I'm not talking about this scenario, just referring to your post.)

Maybe you were talking about the test forum (where you converse with yourself) or the looney bin where the staff converse among themselves. (not sure if there any freedom of speech there either).

Do whatever you want but don't make it look like those are my words. Why don't yo put a "censored by Admin" message in the title too?

 

You'll get no argument out of me about freedom of speech on private forums. The forums specifically targeted at political speech are some of the most policed. I can also imagine the lions share of posts deleted from a forum like this one have to do with spam and a variety of black hat SEO techniques, and very little to do with P&R.

I would differ with you on the opinion that arguing Politics and Religion is a waste of time. Everything we do and say matters, even here in this obscure sub-forum of a web development forum. It is discussions, like the ones held here, that help people form their political opinions. For instance, right now 36% of the people in America currently think Socialism is better than Capitalism. If and when that number crests 50%, the policies put into place that effect all of us will change, or the elected officials will be changed. Those policies effect everything from how much in taxes you pay on your profits, to how your web traffic will be routed(Net Neutrality). When only the people on one side of an issue pipe up, they generally get their way even if they don't represent a majority(New Arizona Immigration legislation comes to mind). In some ways, arguing politics and religion is one of the most important things you can do, as well as your civic duty as an American.

 

http://www.search-marketing.info/newsletter/articles/shawn-hogan.htm

LOL..

And I bet that I read the exact words I quoted in my previous post too somewhere.

I couldn't agree more.

 

You and most other Americans with a job, a business, or a life. Its not a waste of time, just a waste of your time when you could be making money or living your life. After all, aren't our elected officials supposed to be taking care of all this cr*p for us?

The only thing that scares me more than the debt is the fact that very few of our elected officials from either party seem to be doing anything to resolve the issue. In my opinion, the single most striking thing about the Tea Party is the fact that most of those people would never "waste" their time arguing politics either. They all have jobs and businesses. You know things are jacked up when the middle class is rioting...

 

well this very well looks like a nightmare to start off.
I am not sure what/why this is happening, each religion is bound to its customs and some may take fun lighter and some may not, religions such as Islam are very ancient and they have no intention of modernizing them, if they had they might have banned many of their baffling rituals.

As, an artist one has the freedom to draw/paint what ever he want. Just for the info helv, all people aren't happy with their idols been made a mockery of, look at what happd. to MF Hussain for his classic piece, people tend to look the bad if he/she is against the person or his religion. Its common, I don't think one is going to deny that honestly.

Just getting down to basics our discussions aren't going to get into the dumb heads who neither wish to listen nor learn, so its basically waste of our time other than bashing each other.

dp - about the debts u r rite, not just US, even countries like India can clear off their debts if they really are intended, though the demographic and other issues are out of contention, the only thing which seems to unite most of the nations is the war against Terror, I am not sure really if these trillions of dollars spent of the demolition are going into right hands

 

@Helvetii

recently i have gone through this section have noticed your views looks pretty much anti muslim.. neways i agree that there are many more importnt things to discuss ... but i guess people do have the right to object something which they dont like be it muslims, christians, hindus etc.. i mean if jesus is made fun of then the christains should object about same case with Hindus.. its not smtn like he is made fun of so lets make fun of him too..

 

@Shawn: Run your forum (private property) whichever way you like, no one one meant this to become an argument. I had asked a simple Yes/No/maybe question but you made it an intent issue and resorted to personal attacks - making unfounded accusations, calling my family (something I'd value more than a DP account) pedophile etc.

Issue of MF Hussain is different, no one was campaigning to kill him. People had a problem with him and took it to court. We have rule of law in the country, if he thinks he was right he should have faced the cases but he instead fled the country. So I neither support nor oppose him.

And I don't agree that we shouldn't discuss all this. Maybe the dumb asses don't get it but people like you and me do. Before I ventured into this section I knew nothing about what Islam and Quran is about, now I am more aware that it is not the religion of peace as the Muslims will have you believe. If more and more people (including muslims) realise that then it'll help us deal with them in a better way. I also used to think that Iran is a Anti-ROW backward country full of Mullahs and military with no rights (specially woman) as the media portrayed but peaceful moderate muslims like babak showed me how I am wrong, now I know that its only their political and religious leadership which is full of douchebags while the middle class is what you'd call "revolutionary muslims".

Definitely not Anti-Muslims but definitely anti-Islam. You need to look up at few verses from the quran to understand how it openly asks its followers to kill non-innocents (according to the quran anyone who's not a Muslims of the book is not innocent, so basically it asks them to kill/terrorize "non-believers"), how it denies woman all rights not only in real life but after life (rolleyes) too (men get 72 virgins in heaven, woman get nothing). You also need to look up the history of Great Muhammad - how he married a 6 year old and raped her at 9, killed people to conquer lands, stoned women who were raped and buried new born babies. You don't need to search the net just browse this forum. If you expect me to have any respect for such a person just because he has 1.5 billion "followers" (some of whom are violent) then sorry. And BTW considering that 95% muslims in this subforum are Muslim Extremists, I am Anti-all of them it might come accross that I hate all Muslims which is not one bit true. I know quite a few muslims in real life and they don't give a shit about religion, even on this forum there are several Muslims I have nothing against and I think they are great guys.

Object is okay, but they don't just object. The recent Car Bomb in Times square was found near the office of Comedy Central (related to South Park), if you don't know about the SouthPark controversy look it up, also look up the Muslim response to Danish Cartoons.

Check out the Zipperfish link here : http://robjones3030.wordpress.com/about/#comment-949 I don't entirely agree with everything said in it but I agree with the overall point being made.

 

Well if you are talking about Quran then lets not talk about what it means have you personally read it ? do you know arabic ? if you refer to sites online then the meaning can be easily manupilated by people.. i believe in somethin when i personally understand the true meaning not on online sources which have no legitamacy,,,

And now when u talk about the people who do indulge in stupid acts lets understand that the muslim population through out the world is large and if 1-2 people do something you shouldnt be blaming the whole religion for this

Today in India we can see that Hindu terrorism is coming up by the radicals right wing so do you mean we blame all hindus..infact today only i saw on the news Pramod muthalik is planning a riot and was caught in sting operation http://expressbuzz.com/cities/bangalore/muthalik’s-mantra-money-for-rioting/173381.html do we blame all hindus for that as he claims he is fighting for hindus