Did Jesus said I am God worship me?

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    Here is your answer, our beloved Jesus (Peace be upon Him):

    [video=youtube;vCQJDyw49Wk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCQJDyw49Wk[/video]
     
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    Did he claim to be God? Of course but only in few instances indirectly and sometimes directly.

    few verses:

    "Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves".

    "I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!"

    "You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and you are right, because that's what I am. And since I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you ought to wash each other's feet."

    "All things have been handed over to Me by my Father: and no one knows the Son, except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father, except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him."

    "And coming into the parts of Caesarea Philippi, Jesus asked His disciples, saying, Who do men say Me to be, the Son of Man? And they said, Some say, John the Baptist; some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. He said to them, But who do you say I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus answered and said to him, You are blessed, Simon, son of Jonah, for flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but My Father in Heaven."

    "He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him, for he said, 'I am the Son of God."

    Jesus also confessed that he is God to the Jews.

    Jesus is not a prophet because:
    1) He claimed to be the son of God, never a messenger. No prophet can claim he is son of God.
    2) The great Miracles done such as raising the dead and resurrecting from the dead required a higher authority from the Father.
    3) The message that Jesus came to spread was very different from the one a prophet would.
     
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  3. thegr4

    thegr4 Well-Known Member

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    With great respect to Jesus (peace be upon him), He is one of the mightiest messengers of Allah, we greatly respect him, but for you:

    If Jesus was God or son of God, then why did he worship God? Does God worship God?
    If Jesus was God then why was he circumscribed on 8th day of his birth, and who was the person who circumscribed God? Imagine god being circumscribed!
    If Jesus was God, then why did he sweat, eat and had to attend the call of nature, Imagine God going into bushes to attend call of Nature?
    If Jesus was God, then why didn't he say I am God or Son of God, worship me. There is no single statement in Bible.

    The great miracles which Jesus (Peace be upon him), we believe on those miracles, that he brought dead to alive and many other great miracles. But he clearly said, I can do nothing of myself, but only with the will of my father. For my father is greater than I.
    Metaphorically we are all his son, we are all his creations.
    But if miracle is your criteria, then I consider Moses (Peace be upon him) to be a greater prophet, he turned stick (non living object) into a snake (living object) and he separated the flowing river and made a path from it.
    You don't call Moses (Peace be upon him) as your GOD?

    It has happened with most of messengers of Allah, that the messenger becomes the object of worship and not his teachings, that is why Muhammad (PBUH), the last messenger strictly prohibited to bow down to him or to make pictures of him or to draw sculptures of him.
     
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    Cripple Fight!!!!
     
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    If you will think about it, what are written in the bible are like riddles. Those should not be taken literally. When the bible says "Jesus resurrected the dead", maybe that means another thing. Like reviving someone who fainted.
     
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    Are you really thinking about it? When God says "Do not kill", should I take that as a riddle and perhaps drown somebody ?

    Ok I will answer you in great details later on tonight. The questions you imposed require great understanding of Christianity and the characteristics of God ( I don't think you understand this yet).

    On the subject of Miracles:
    Tell me any prophet from the bible who did a miracle by himself and not mentioning God. Also, name me any prophet who said they are the son of God.
    "Son of God" should be taken literally. It is SON and not sons. If you will take it metaphorically, then what about females? Should we call them daughters of God?

    Of course Moses did miracles but who have commanded him to do all these? Read the bible and see God giving him direct commands to his meeting with the Pharaoh.
    Also, to futher prove my point:

    Moses was not allowed to enter the promise land.
    Why?

    Lets see what God told Moses:
    the Lord told Moses, "Take the staff, and you and your brother Aaron gather the assembly together. Speak to that rock before their eyes and it will pour out its water. You will bring water out of the rock for the community so they and their livestock can drink."

    Then Moses & Aaron said to the people:
    ‘Listen, you rebels, must we bring you water out of this rock?’ Then Moses raised his arm and struck the rock twice with his staff. Water gushed out, and the community and their livestock drank."

    God's response to this:
    "Because you did not trust in me enough to honor me as holy in the sight of the Israelites, you will not bring this community into the land I give them."
     
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    Ignoring all the bullshit, I thought I would help you with some of the bigger words that you might not understand if English is not your first language.

    Circumscribed is not the same as circumcised.

    circumscribed means to draw a line around or encircle something.

    circumcised refers to a male who has had the removal of some or all of their foreskin.

     
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    There is no physical proof Jesus was anything but mortal known at the present time - the Crucifixion was a triumph of evil that if ever brought to justice could possibly reverse the course of Armageddon and the individuals seeking the answer of Deity would by the eventual triumph of good to occur over evil find it irrelevant compared to the actual goal set by the saint having been accomplished.
     
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    Jesus is not God, but His manifestation.

    The One who is everywhere, and in everything, is the Father of all people including Jesus.
    The proof is the prayer Jesus gave.

    "Our Father in heaven, hallowed beyour name, your kingdom come, your
    will be done on earth as it is in heav-
    en. Give us this day our daily bread
    and forgive us our debts, as we forgive
    our debtors. And do not lead us into
    temptation, but deliver us from the
    evil one, for yours is the kingdom and
    the power and the glory forever. Amen "


    Our Father in heaven... " Means that we are all Children of God. The prayer is not given to a specific group of people, but for all humanity.

    A lot of Christians believe Jesus is God, but that is misunderstanding. No one can put God on a cross, no one can abuse God. His servants for a variety of reasons they can.
     
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    Thanks for correcting me, I will use circumcised from here on.

    So, If Jesus is GOD then he died for 3 days on the cross. During that time who controlled the world?
    And your god so helpless, he sees his tiny creations called humans made by himself, just crucified him. He could not do anything about it. That just shows how helpless your god is.
    That it itself a shameful attribute towards god.
    And the father God, who doesn't even have a name, and the religion you follow, your religion he gave Jesus (PBUH) didn't give you any name! What kind of religion is this!
    Christ was the nickname of Jesus (PBUH) so since you needed a name, so you started calling yourself Christian (followers of Christ). But Jesus (PBUH) never taught you christianity, he never said you people are christians. Christianity or christian word is not even once in the Bible.

    Just wait until Jesus (PBUH) comes, and he affirms that he doesn't even know you. He never even heard of this word Christianity in his lifetime! He never said I am GOD worship me. Or GOD is three in one or one in three.

    My expectation is within 50 years, according to the hadit of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as the events are unfolding, only event left to happen is Establishment of Israel as a superpower (ruling state of the world) which will happen as USA falls down while sea of Galilee has already started to dry up. By that time it will completely dry up.
    [video=youtube;MqU4H__qv1E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqU4H__qv1E[/video]

    Do you think you can read bible to your 5-6 year old children. Bible even has incest stories in it. Do you think you will feel comfortable telling the story of Loot (PBUH) when your child will ask moma moma what is incest!
    Is your god so cruel that he tells incest stories to children.

    Or do you have an age restriction before children can be allowed to read bible?
    What kind of holy book is that?

    Loot (PBUH) is one of the mightiest messenger of Allah we greatly respect him, its a shame that the acts you attribute towards his daughters.
     
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    Before I answer any of your questions, you need to get this into your head. We Christians believe God is holy trinitarian. That means he is THE father, son & holy spirit all in one form (You don't have to believe this, it is quiet difficult to grasp but you'll need to in order to see where I am going at).

    To accurately represent Jesus, he is the son of God. Does that mean God got married and had a Child? No! Marriage is an event between humans. Son here is more of a meaning showing a precious form that is united to God. Like I said above, God is holy trinitarian. I said they are all equal but they have different authorities. When son of God was incarnated as human-being on earth, father was in heaven with a higher authority. That is why Jesus said I & father are one. Jesus also said his father in heaven has a higher authority. Jesus had to come on earth for salvation of humans. Salvation had to have shedding of blood as we learned from the old testament. How can we shed the blood of God? God is obviously not a human but he had to send his son (1 form) for shedding of Blood and salvation through the incarnation.

    I know its a bit difficult to grasp but since you have to decided to get into the hot topics of Christianity, that is a direct fair answer.

    God did not send his son to tell people how powerful he is and to kill those who do not follow him. Jesus came with a goal and that is Salvation. It had to happen. If the Jews knew Jesus was actually the "Messiah", then they would have never crucified him & salvation would not occur. That is why God used parables and hints and indirect statements that he is the son of God; but when he was asked, he answered honestly.
    The jews did not believe because they were expected a powerful God with massive energy, light and glory. Well that God exists in heaven as the holy trinitarian but in no way any human contact would occur with such a massive energy. That is also another reason for the incarnation. Read the old testament & Moses stories when talking to God. It was a very powerful experience.

    Christ is a description rather than nickname. "He is the annointed one". We follow Christ as Christians. Christ is another word for "Messiah" as in the old testament.

    Can you tell me more about the so called "incest stories" ?
    I would love to see what you call incest in Christianity and NOT incest in Islam.
     
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    See all 12 parts of this video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjQU3xvbotk
     
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