I see those who say sin is in the world because of the first man's original sin, and usually it is followers of a abrahamic religion (christianity, islam, judaism) but lets concentrate on the biblical God's actions From what I know all three religions say the first man and woman named basicly Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and this is how evil came into the world. Well I want to know: - why did God put the tree of good and evil in the garden with Adam and Eve? He could have put it at the bottom of the ocean. This would have avoided this whole sin mess - why did God even make the damn tree in the first place? Once again could have avoid the whole mess - Why would God even allow satan, his enemy he kicked out of heaven, who also lead astray 1/3 of the angels who knew God for years, to come to earth in the body of snake, and tempt man who God just recently created in 7 days, who didn't even know a satan existed? (Remember Adam didn't know about evil yet, because he did not bite from the fruit of the tree of good and evil.) Some people may say adam and eve had the freedom of choice, but so does God. How can people call this a all knowing "God" with this set of bad choices? I can go on with so much more, that it is ridiculous. (E.G. Why would the biblical God only make one man and one woman if he is really against incest? Who the hell did he think Adam's sons and daughters were going to marry?) ... with examples like the above of dumb mistakes from the biblical God, there is no way I can believe the biblical God exist, or at the very least believe he is the one who started the "big bang", or created universe, etc.
- why did God put the tree of good and evil in the garden with Adam and Eve? He could have put it at the bottom of the ocean. This would have avoided this whole sin mess To give Adam and Eve a choice to have faith in his words and listen to him or to disobey him - why did God even make the damn tree in the first place? Once again could have avoid the whole mess Again, to give Adam and Eve choice. - Why would God even allow satan, his enemy he kicked out of heaven, who also lead astray 1/3 of the angels who knew God for years, to come to earth in the body of snake, and tempt man who God just recently created in 7 days, who didn't even know a satan existed? (Remember Adam didn't know about evil yet, because he did not bite from the fruit of the tree of good and evil.) Satan's role was to force Adam and Eve to make a choice. They would have lived in the garden blissfully ignorant if Satan hadn't come to Eve and tempted her to eat the fruit. I believe the events would have been different had Eve resisted temptation then she & Adam went to God and said "The serpent tempted me to eat the fruit but I obeyed you." Some people may say adam and eve had the freedom of choice, but so does God. How can people call this a all knowing "God" with this set of bad choices? I can go on with so much more, that it is ridiculous. (E.G. Why would the biblical God only make one man and one woman if he is really against incest? Who the hell did he think Adam's sons and daughters were going to marry?) If Adam and Eve hadn't eaten of the fruit there would have been no incest. More specifically, though, God had to have created other people because Eve gave birth to three sons and one of them, Cain, had a wife. The Bible doesn't mention God creating this wife, so God had to have created her along with others. You ask about God's "bad" choices. If your parent's tell you not to stay out past curfew because something bad can happen to you, then you stay out anyway and end up getting mugged, are are going to blame your parent's for letting you go out in the first place? For not giving you an earlier curfew? For giving birth to you? Of course not. It's the same way with God. It wasn't God, but man, who has made bad choices from the beginning of time. Man disobeyed God by taking the fruit from the tree after explicitly being told not to. Man impregnated another woman (Abraham & Hagar) when God said wait and I will give you a son with your wife. To this day we are seeing the effects of that decision. There are so many examples throughout the Bible of these same kind of mistakes. All God has asked was that man obey Him and be faithful to his word and since since creation, that request has been continuously disobeyed. It's not God's faults, but the fault of those who are disobedient.
No, I don't think God made any dumb mistakes. Rather, I believe there is no shortage of humans who are stupid enough to mess up anything no matter how good it starts out. What a shame.
But that is temptation, and if God set the whole thing up (he had to if satan was to play a "role" as you said and God created the evil tree) your answer contradicts another scripture the bible says about God: James 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; If the biblical God didn't create the tree in the first place there wouldn't have been incest then. but my parents would have never have hired a mugger to mug me or create a situation that could have harmed me. The biblical God is the one who created the very evil tree Adam ate the fruit from. It is funny you bring this up, because even though the bible says God is against incest, the biblical God does not bless the natural child of Abraham and Hagar, but instead the child from incest - Issac. Abraham and Sarah was brother and sister. First why the hell would he promise Abraham, a man who married his sister, anything at all if God is against incest? That doesn't make any sense.
God didn't tempt Eve, Satan did. Neither did God ask or encourage Satan to tempt Eve. If God didn't create the tree, if he didn't allow us the freedom of choice, then we would be mindless robots, and instead of questioning God, you would be worshipping him right now. That is not what He wanted. He wants us to choose. I see, in your desire to poke holes in theories, you missed the point of that . Let's say your parents told you not to play with knives - the knives they purchase for cutting up meat and vegetables. You decide to play with them anyway and end up cutting yourself. Is it their fault for purchasing the knives? Or your fault for disobeying? BTW the tree was not evil. The tree granted the knowledge of good and evil. Before eating from the tree, Adam and Eve didn't know there was a such thing as good and evil. Laws against incest were put into practice centuries after Abraham and Sarah, when familial relations grew closer. At that point in time, incest was not a sin.
God has never made a mistake nor will He ever. God desires for us to love Him and for Him to just throw sin out the window and make us robots, that would serve no justice for us to willingly love Him.
Why did Satan fall? Because he coveted God's position. God should not have existed, planted himself at the bottom of the ocean, or just let Satan have what he wanted. Problem solved. Or more simply, maybe God should have just sat alone all by himself forever and never created anything to love Him. People who think the tree was the problem aren't thinking very hard. If Satan hadn't coveted God's position he never would have been tossed out and never would have tempted Adam and Eve. And, it wasn't the tree that tempted them. It was the idea of being like God. Sound familiar? Being like God is what Satan wanted. And, not surprisingly, it's what a lot of false religions offer to members; being more like God than God allows. Adam and Eve were already created in His image but they wanted to be even more like God. So why did God create Satan so wonderfully (Satan was God's top Angel) and allow him to covet? Because God is not a God of robots and puppets.
Sorry, that is a poor answer. The biblical god could give freedom of choice without creating the evil tree or satan. Look I have the freedom of choice to eat poison ivy leaves or order a pizza. I didn't need a evil tree. Since the bible says God knows all things, created the evil tree, and created satan, then he knew what he was doing and is directly responsible for creating evil, the temptation of Adam, and sin in the world. I don't see how any followers of the bible can miss that. You see here is a fault in your example, the bible say God is "all knowing", so he knew adam would bite the fruit, but still created the tree anyway. If my parents knew the future and knew I would play with the knives and hurt myself, they wouldn't buy them, or would place them somewhere I couldn't find them. Just as any loving parent would... but the biblical God put the tree of evil knowledge smack in the middle of the garden. You call this a loving God, if he knew about the evil and pain this would cause but still done it anyway? What makes God look much worse is that there was not even a need for a tree of evil knowledge. So the biblical God doesn't even grant them knowledge of good, but punish them when they eat from the tree of evil knowledge he created for no good reason, when tempted by satan (who he created).. Then he allows the whole world to be full of sin for what one man done? Wow this god is sounding better by the minute [sarcasm] I am not talking about people practicing laws, I am talking about the biblical god's actions. The bible says he is against incest, but out of all the normal families out there he chooses some guy living in the desert that is married to his sister. That does not make any sense, unless you are saying that the biblical god once actually thought incess was ok. ?
God gave Adam and Eve a good start. They blew it by sinning. God started things again with Noah and his family. They, too, blew it with subsequent sin after coming out of the Ark. I see a pattern here.