I've just checked this and the <RK> thingie says the same as the iwebtool predictor, which is believed to be incorrect by almost everyone. Apart from that, if google has PR values publicly available like this, why doesn't the toolbar use this value? It wouldn't make sense to keep old values for months, while everyone can go look up the realtime value
This is incorrect. When the tool cannot find a <RK> for the website, it simply displays "Unknown" as the predicted rank. An easier way to get the RK of a domain name is to use the Backlink checker tool making sure you click "Check Domain"
The author's thoughts here are flawed imo. He is basing his opinion on these numbers based on toolbar pagerank (while he earlier stated that this rank is out of date). Why would google use an out of date pr in calculating anything. He's not proven anything... those numbers could well be current pagerank of those individual pages. His search position idea just doesn't add up at all. Point is that article proves nothing to me.
Very good point there. The writer should make a few changes to his article. (format: link number. XML file value for <RK></RK> | Actual PageRank (3 months old))
can i just ask how accurate iweb pagerank tool is its ranked my site from a 0/10 to a 5/10 on the next pr update can this happen on a scale like that my site is only 3 months old but has had some pretty heavy seo done.
i don't understand this...whenever someone asks about page rank you all say "dude, PR is not that important, etc" but now when this pops up everybody is so excited... @nufcfan ... sure..your site can jump from 0 to 5, it depends on what kind of links you got since launching the site. personally I only jumped from 0 to 4 till now for the first site I worked on, but I have a feeling that I'm going to jump to 5 on the current one.
What no-one seems to have addressed is the fact that the XML result includes multiple instances of <RK>. When I view my page using Big Daddy (http://66.249.93.104/), I get nine instances of <RK> - 4 at <RK>5 and 5 at <RK>3
You need to look at the <U> tag to see what URL relates to what <rk> tag. I've had a tool based on this I've used in house for an age now that compares the Live www.google.com and BigDaddy servers and they are different, that's why I've been saying there won't be a PR update till after Big Daddy has rolled out fully [Edit] Here's an example of what I mean: http://www.articlecodex.com/Seo-Tools/Page-Overview.asp?url=http://www.articlecodex.com/ The only thing is that I think PR6 is a bit high for my site after the first update.. I would love to be wrong but I think that looking at your current <rk> on Big Daddy might be a mistake.. [/Edit]
The author of that article seems to be in some kind of confusion between live PR and toolbar PR(which is old) However, what I know for sure is that iwebtool predicted very well the page rank before the last update. If you check deep pages of your sites, you get a lower predicted PR than homepage, which is pretty logical. So I think iwebtool is pretty accurate.
For some reason, multiple inquiries on my end retrieve different results. First shot a site is 0/2 and upon second try, a much more depressing 0/0 was shown.
Nothing hew here. This stuff's been around for a while now. Look at http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=56380 Post your results and compair them when the actual update comes to see how correct these scripts are.
I think the most important thing to consider is this ... The checksum data found by clicking the "check" results option, *after* the iwebtool does its prediction, is more accurate than the iwebtool itself. Once you click on "check", you see the raw data, and if your website appears in this data, check the corresponding <RK> field for your current pagerank. There are LOTS of ways to stuff this up. You have to read the instructions very carefully to get an accurate understanding of your pagerank according to this theory. Personally, I believe this is a discovery. If you follow all the rules, and meet all the conditions, then it is possible to discover your pagerank according to this theory. As for the person that was concerned about their pagerank of 5, then I offer my own experience. I have a website that I put on the internet 3 days after the last TBPR update. I have since attracted around 500 links, including many high PR links. I expected a pagerank of around 5, and the checksum data does suggest this is so. But, more importantly - I am placed in the top position in several search engines, on a very competitive term. Technically, my pagerank is 0 according to the toolbar. And yet, I am in the first position for my keyword, and have been for a long time now. I attribute this success to the fact that my site is actually a LOT better than a pagerank of 0. I believe it is a 5, just like the checksum data suggests. Is it just a coincidence that the other websites listed under me, all have lower pageranks? (A pagerank of 4, 4, 3, 3, 2s and 1's)? I think not. I believe I rank above them (even though I have a PR of 0, because in fact - I have a PR of 5 in realtime. Anyway, just more thoughts on the matter ... Cheers, Jonathan P.S. - To measure the PR of each of the websites listed under me for a certain keyword, I had to manually check each website's PR using this technique. Time consuming, but it tended to suggest that I am currently at PR5, as opposed to PR0.
Both my webmaster site and email hoaxes sites went from 0 to 5 on the last update and one was only 6 weeks old at the time of the update, the other one was 8 weeks old. I think if your content is good and fresh and you have a few good back links there "was" (not knowing what bigdaddy is doing) no reason to believe you can't get a good pagerank on a new site. I actually don't have a lot of back links, according to google, the webmaster site only has 19 and the hoax site 44. Lisa
This is something any decent SEO knows. Problem is that we are getting bombed by newbies posting links to all kind of stupid "prediction" tools and sites that are nothing more than junk and a useless way of spending your time.
This is going to be a good indication on exactly how effective some of these pagerank predictors are. If one of them prooves to consistantly give the right PR, or even 1 off then its a winner and is going to be getting used alot more often. Brad
I've no idea why the moderator moved my thread to a different forum: forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=57892&page=3 All the same, I think the experiment I'm running will be of interest to most of us webmasters.
How can they be "effective"? No one out of Google knows the PR algo. What do these "predictor" tools use? Some kind of empirical data? Might as well go to a tarot reader and ask for your future PR, you can also get to know if you will find the love of your life for the same price.
Fryman, I appreciate your comments and respect your Rep and Post. But read fully the post on webmaster world that started this thread and your might think a little differently. They explain and prove exactly what the predictors are using. You do not even need to use the prediction tools. It is easy to query any of the google data centers directly once you know the checksum of any search term where your site is returned as a search result. This query returns an an xml file (Example: http://216.239.51.104/search?client=navclient-auto&ch=6-549015154&q=bindexed ) Note this was not a query for a website just the term bindexed. now compare the XML results to the search on the same server ( http://216.239.51.104/search?hl=en&q=bindexed&btnG=Google+Search ) Line for line, they are the same result, just a different format. Now look at the XML. There is a tag call <RK>. Google merely describes this tag as an integer between 0-10. This is what the prediction tools are using. Whether this is what the current page rank is or not is in question. But it does seem to make some sense. On a futher note to nintendo, the prediction tools do not always correctly extract the <RK> Tag. I saw your post about the predictor http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=56380 and your shock that your nintendo website was scheduled to jump to PR7 from PR3. However, if you examine the XML generated http://64.233.161.99/search?client=navclient-auto&ch=6149083264&q=www.n-i-n-t-e-n-d-o.com The PR predictor thought you were www.nintendo.com and gave you the <RK> tag for them ie. a 7 When in all actuallity you are nowhere to be found on the list.