Death to the oppressor, whether it's the shah or the leader!" the students chanted, a

Death to the oppressor, whether it's the shah or the leader!" the students chanted, according to witnesses — making a daring comparison between Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and the pro-U.S. shah, despised in Iran since his overthrow in the 1979 Islamic Revolution.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091207/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iran


Look what Islam has done to the muslim students in Iran. Has anybody herd students from the civilized world chanting "DEATH" when protesting?

Please don't come again with the lame excuse those are only a "few bad apples". Chanting Death is the norm of behavior for muslims when they disagree with their oponents, we hear it all the time from muslims from all over the world!

Give up islam muslims, you will live much better without it. You can get much better ideas how to live from other religions. The sooner you change the better for you.

 

Yes. Albeit not by civilized people, but people who physically reside in the civilized world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuAAK032kCA

So simple, so straightfoward.


(I think that the guy with the microphone is "new", no?)

 

Are you really this stupid or do you only pretend? Why does civilized world has armies, war planes and ships? Do you think these soldiers in "civilized world" are acting according to Christian teaching of "love your enemies" and are there to go to other countries to get fu*ked in their a*s?
Just because the stories of your Jesus liking to love 12 other guys, that those it mean this is a life reality with exception of in San Francisco.

 

isn't Jesus one of the prophets of Islam? and if he's.. doesn't that mean you just insulted him and you deserve to die according to the Quran ? just asking out of sincere interest..

 

Islam accepts Jesus as a prophet but I don't believe in God, prophets or religions.
I think all the religious figures are the product of their time and society (with exception of Jesus since there is no historical proof that he ever existed).

 

gworld; I am not religious and personally have a distaste for the illogical theories of every religion, however your first post in this thread regarding Jesus Christ and Soldiers being gay seems pretty rude considering it didn't contribute whatsoever to the discussion.
Also as to war planes and ships and armies - I think a big part is to protect themselves from Islamic extremists - I know if some crazy person came to my town and started screaming about say, blowing up a train, I'd shoot them.

 

Alexis, defender of the Gays and all things politically incorrect to the rescue! Listen up folks, Jesus ordered us to love our fellow man. Some people take that a bit more literally than others, but you get the point. From the sound of things, Mohammad offered to push someone's stool in more than once as well. So what?

I do agree with your point on the military, however. Police use force to subdue and imprison people, but I'll take them over the alternative.

@Truth. Nice post. Most of the pro-america/anti-iran crowd just saw those student protesters and asked, "how can we help them overthrow the pocket dictator Ahmadinijad". Asking what type of crowd shouts, "death to <fill in the blank>" is the right question, in my opinion.

 

Where did I say soldiers were gay? I just made fun of "truth777" crazy post about "civilized world" loves each other.
In regard to armies and weapons, if you think a little bit then you will know that these are older then 10 years and it wasn't just invented because of Islamic extremists. Humans have been killing each other since beginning of history.

 

I also didn't say that armies have only been around for 10 years - however I feel that they are more necessary than ever given how the world is today. Yes, people have been killing each other forever - in fact more Muslims are killed each year because of other Muslims than anyone else. (Including the West's armies )

Re Obamanation, I think the post had nothing to do with the original post and was just starting bickering for the sake of it - which happens a lot here - however entering a thread and saying "Your prophet was gay. He fucked guys" seems like he's just looking for a fight, not a discussion.

You also seem to cling tightly to the fact that I defend gays; why is this such an issue for you? My previous post was more to outline the fact I thought it was ridiculous to just pop up and start calling Jesus gay, basically - it wasn't a gay thing, just trying to argue.

 

Because "True devoted Christians" are not messing with politics. Politicians are those who rule the western countries not the Christian priests.
The last thing a true Christian would do is to kill somebody in the name of God or Christianity.
But many muslims consider killing others a duty, when others say the "wrong things, or do something that may be wrong according to the book of islam the quran".

 

I'm not sure you defend the gays so much as the idea of political correctness. It just seems that your criticisms mostly come in when gays are mentioned in a posting. To be fair, I wasn't really criticizing you, just poking a little fun with an observation.

Since we are on the topic, I think calling the prophet or Jesus a homosexual is healthy and not the slightest bit out of place. Its not like you are calling someone in this forum gay, and using the word as an insult. Instead, it attacks the stance of most religions take in regard to homosexuals directly, and in a humorous way. It certainly beats calling someone a cretin for believing in his/her religion.

Perhaps you can clarify it for me. Are your comments in opposition to these types of statements out of concern that a member of religion XYZ may be offended, or out of concern that homosexuals may be offended? If they are not in concern of offending someone, why do you make them? If they are in concern of offending someone, aren't you more concerned about your own statements calling Muslims a "waste of life"?

 

The history of Christianity is filled with hatred, war and killings. In Argentina, priests even participated in torturing political prisoners. Muslims can come with the same excuse that "True devoted Muslims" don't do this or that but while you don't hold Christians responsible for actions of pope who is the head of church, you hold Muslims responsible for actions of some unknown preacher which 99.99 % of Muslims don't even know.

 

One - If it seems I defend political correctness then I'm sorry to have misled you; many of my feelings and opinions are not politically correct at all while I consider certain elements of political correctness to be somewhat misguided. I don't mind the expression of a notion that hey, maybe Jesus is gay, maybe Mohammad is gay, whatever - my issue was with the overall tone of the post.

Two - I don't have any issue at all with anyone thinking that anyone else's prophet is gay; none whatsoever - it just seemed like an oddly argumentative post so early on in the thread to not be directly related to the original topic. I know it tends to get to that stage by the end of the first page or so, but it was just a little annoying as immediately the topic was changed. (In what to me appeared a deliberate attempt to pick fights - which is fine, but still slightly irritating when I'd like to see what people thing of the original post.)

Third, and last - To clarify, my statements are not to defend, (or prevent from being offended,) gays or Christians - only to point out my annoyance at the thread immediately losing the OP thanks to a post that was not directly related (I think the 2nd reply should have a decent tie to the original post) and seemed quite deliberately antagonistic. (Not simply "I believe Jesus was gay" but a little rant that was likely intended to offend Christians for the purpose of starting an argument - again this detracts from the OP and is irritating at the start of what may have been an interesting thread.)

Also, I understand you disagree with my feelings about Islam and Muslims, however this thread has nothing to do with that and while I don't mind it being brought up (if I were ashamed or not willing to be honest I'd not have made the statement to begin with) I am not going to discuss it with you in the middle of someone else's thread.

If you want to start a "Why does Islam make you sick?" thread then I would by all means be happy to explain it to you.

Alternatively, if it is something you plan on not letting go of and bringing up whenever you can (I'm not saying you will) then feel free to shoot me a PM - I have no problem explaining my views to anyone, but I don't want to do it in the middle of someone else's thread. (Even if it was doomed from the 3rd post.)

 

@Alexis: That is all very fair.

I don't normally start threads like that. While I'm happy to be a monkey in the gallery and point out idiocy where I see it, I try and stay away from posting threads entitled "Why does <Insert Race, Religion, or Nation here> make you sick", or anything the like. If you were to post such a thread, however, I would be eager to read your explanation.

 

There are so many who are very interested in insulting the prophets peace be upon them all, mostly Christians and Jews because they think when they insult Mohammad pbuh then Muslims can't reply the insult back by insulting Jesus or Moses, since both are also prophet of Islam like others, including David, Abraham, Joseph, Jacob ...etc

true Muslims won't insult any religious symbol, whether a prophet they believe in, or not, even if it was an idol,

sadly, the biggest insult for Jesus pbuh is done by Christians themselves, by not following his teachings, and thinking that just believing in this human being as a son of god will be enough to rinse all the dirt and sins they did and still doing, even if it was launching wars against people who do not share this same belief and killing millions of them,

the biggest insult for Moses pbuh is done by the Jews themselves when they also forgot his original teachings which they been chosen originally for the mission of delivering it, and they failed miserably when they themselves did exactly the opposite by not delivering the message, and by changing "chosen for a mission", to "chosen to go against the laws and consider themselves above all other human beings",

that is a biggest insult for all prophets who all called for the same originally with slight differences, and later some edited, added, removed to their original teachings,

the biggest insult for human intelligence, is to think that following certain belief when you know very well that it been changed, and edited - will be enough to escape punishment or get a reward in the next life, even if your current life was nothing except crimes, lowness, dirtiness, and insults to other people and their religious symbols for nothing except they do follow what they belief in and do not speak or act out of prejudice or to spite, and whom you almost know nothing about their belief,

for Muslims, I hope there will not be any need to reply the insult with an insult, when these people are doing this low job perfectly, be higher than they and what they do, if you out of your love to the prophet pbuh wanted to reply then make your reply by sticking to his teachings, this is the best reply to those who took their prophets as jokes, after they edited that fine teachings they been sent with.

 

You insult Jesus everytime you speak His name, since you always state He is a liar. You don't believe in His prophesies, so quit claiming Him as some sort of islamic prophet. Mohamud did the opposite of what Jesus taught.

Am I going to threaten to kill you because you insult Jesus? Not at all, ignorance isn't a reason for death, in fact Jesus said people would hate Him and that there would be false prophets. You whine like someone told you that you can't insult other religious figures, I have yet to see someone say that even in DP. (I may have missed it.) The only thing I have seen is muslims cry about anything stated about mohamud, some dead guy who had sex with little girls, who promotes death, who wants you to kill the Jews.

I have had verbal threats from some of mohamads followers here, but I guess those are the ones following their religion and book - good for them.

P.S. once you get educated about the Bible, it's history and it's teachings you will stop parroting what the lame sites like menji's say. It is like me saying that cars have square wheels to the workers at GM, do you think they would take me seriously? (you probably won't understand the comparison.)

 

The idea debunked, which you failed to understand as usual, is not me whining about not being able to insult, who is stopping me if I wanted to insult, or from finding a way to insult if some way was not possible?

the idea is that the biggest insult ever been made to Jesus pbuh is done by Christians themselves, whether those who believe he is the son of god, or those who believe he is a god, or those who believe he is a prophet, enough to mention these 3 different cases to conclude that something went wrong regarding his original teachings,

the last group even if they are correct about believing that Jesus pbuh was a prophet not a god or son of god, they still do insult him by not following his teachings, and just use them as words, for singing maybe and not to follow, or implement, as if loving, maintaining a chaste life, honesty ..etc were only for Jesus to do and die for doing them, and for others, it is enough to believe in him, to be forgiven then sin as they like, this is not a healthy thinking, in fact, it proved that it been fatal, to so many in this world, including Christians themselves in the very high crime rates in Christian nations, and the so many wars these nations did and still doing,

forget whether he is a god, or son of god, or a man on a cloud, whatever, he came or been sent for a reason, which is to deliver a message, and teachings, which been gone first in Christian nations before others,

as for your insults to the prophet Mohammad pbuh, the last prophet and the true prophet whom been mentioned in the bible, they been discussed here in great details, refer to the threads where his marriage to Aisha been discussed, and in general learn more about him, his life, and his message from else than the hateful sources you read always, just to find tools to express your prejudice and of course spite,

you do not annoy me at all, whether you insult the prophet or not, you insult yourself as I mentioned, because you are not following your own beliefs, and this is why I think you only speak out of hate, prejudice, spite, all together,

I hope one day you will be able to overcome these things that limits your ability from learning more, especially about Islam and Muslims,

Mohammad pbuh been described in a way by some, and in another way that is very different by others like you, it is like there are two Mohammad's, one is the one described by well known and respectful people like Sir George Bernard Shaw, who said:

Mahatma Gandhi who said:

and of course this is Mohammad whom 1.3 billion Muslims, the largest one single religious ( and faithful) group in the world - know

the other Mohammad is what some Christians and Jews want the people especially their own people want to know, it is not really Mohammad, but it is the image of Mohammad they want to portray, and make others believe in, mainly because they are afraid that their own people will know about the real Mohammad which the respectful people above and many others like him are speaking about,

it became like, tell me about Mohammad, to know who you are, and not tell me about Mohammad to know Mohammad peace and blessing upon him and all prophets.

 

And you still fail because your ignorance and blind following of teaching you don't even know what Jesus said, what Christians believe or what Christians follow. My guess is you still think all Americans are Christian so that everything you read you think is done by follows of Jesus. But as long as you keep your eyes and ears closed you will continue to blindly and ignorantly follow the teachings and beliefs of your imams. Trust me, I have seen and heard enough of those teachings to have an idea what I am saying, I don't have any religious leader telling me about islam, I see it directly from its followers, in fact most Christian pastors don't talk much about other religions, they focus on teaching about Christ and what the whole Bible has to say.

You will still be confused about what I write as long as you are unteachable. The brainwashing starts so young I don't expect you to be able to say something like "love Jews" You won't be able to comprehend that only some American's are actually Christian by faith, since being a born again Christian can't happen by be born into a Christian family.

I know most of this will not make any sense to you, but until you let go of the false teachings, you won't be able to understand much of anything in reality.

P.S. as far as mohamud being mentioned in the Bible - that is another myth that is easily debunked by reading the Bible, but I know that would be against your beliefs so you keep the myth alive like someone who talks about tooth fairies or santa claus.

 

I do not say things like love Jews, or love Christians, or even love Muslims, I love a good deed, and those who do them, be they Jews, Christians, Muslims or else,

you are accusing me of ignorance of Christianity, I m accusing you of ignorance about Islam and the prophet Mohammad pbuh, and it seems this is the kind of discussion you like, where all exchange accusations and insults,

if you want to follow this path, I will tell you peace as Islam teaches me, if you want to have a constructive discussion, then you can point what wrong did I say, and correct it, in this I will know where I been ignorant, if I truly was, and you will serve your own religion, by correcting a misconception about it,

but this is yet another proof that you are not interested in knowing, learning, teaching or any of these things, and that you are speaking out of prejudice, hate and spite

I do not know why you started to defend pastors, and Churches, I said "some" Christians and Jews like yourself, and did not say that these things are being taught in Churches by pastors,

not that they do not happen by some pastors, I m sure they do, like that Church that have a sign that says "Islam of the devil" on its entrance, but I can't generalize, still I find it strange why you started to defend them, when I did not attack them.

 

same the muslims say about the jews who "betray god" and "kill their own prophets"
and this is, in short, why Islam is a dangerous and violent religion.
All religions see themselves as the ultimate good. But unlike any other religion, Islam explicitly sees itself better.

Allah is not just great --> but Allah is greater.

This is not just Imad, he didn't think up all the rubbish he writes himself: this is the Islamic narrative. The dominance over other religions and Islam conviction of superiority is so profound that this sentence by Imad - after many years of Islamic brain damage - seem perfectly sensible and legitimate to him. He simply can't understand how sick it is.