I don't have to when it's that obvious. It would be like pointing at a turd and stating "that stinks". Everybody already knows.
Numerous instances? Since 1973, which is 36 years ago, there have been an average of less than 4 per year being released from death row. DUH..that's common sense; technology has advanced in numerous ways in the last 3 decades, not to mention the last one alone, so it would be common sense that some criminals would be saved because of different methods. How many have been kept on death row in the last 36 years, though? Much better average if you ask me.
Last 36 years? All of these (only the ones that can prove it) How many more have yet to prove their innocence. These spent 14 years on Death row, 17 years on death row, how many will be able never prove it because they are dead?
Umm, neither of those links you provided were sentenced to death row. One was life, the other was 75 years. Honestly, if you're sentenced to prison then there is a little more going on than being in the "wrong place at the wrong time"...you don't know the intricate details of all these cases, and neither do I..but I have to assume that they got their due process of law and were well-represented. I may be biased; 3 thugs murdered my brother in law and tried to kill me, and I want them all dead..wouldn't you? The truth is, though, I felt this way before anything happened.
I dunno about it. I'm netural about it. In a perfect law system I beleive that maybe they could make it work, but becuase the courts and cops are so corrupt the death sentence should not be around. The judgement in court is not make on who's innocent and who is not. Mostly, its the lawyer who was able to manipulate the most who wins. The people who are accused are overwelmed to beat the odds and it shouldn't be that way. Also the system is so corrupt that apart from Mike Tyson, if your rich or famous and commit a crime you don't even get charged, you get sued. that's dumb. Heck, in hockey they rip each others heads off, but if you try that fighting on the street you get charged...........The law is simply too much conditional. Innocent people get convicted all of the time. There's plenty of cases where the rich crown lawyers just throw in offer instead of going to prison for a mass time they can just plead guilty and get a 1/4 of the time in prison. They are forced because of the power of the courts. Nope, becuase if you sometime kill the innocents, then it will go both ways. The guilty will get off. If your going to have the death penalty then you need to only kill 100% proven guilty people. Need more of a reason than that. Walmart will smart price tiny stores by dropping their prices to a sale that you can't earn money for, then that small business will be gone in a month and walmart will be back up to their typical price. The small business owner basically pays money and tries to afford food for the rest of their life. Walmart has not been abolished. There is tons of cases where people just got charged because a cop was in a bad mood. Then when they went to court they couldn't afford a lawyer so they just pleaded guilty a took the fall. Actually it happened to me. When I was young I was suspended for fighting and causing some trouble flipping out. Some dork while I was suspended wrote out a bomb threat then the cops came to be and claimed they had evidence with handwriting and all of that. When I went to court I could not afford a lawyer so I got a Gov't appointed lawyer and it went down like this. If I were to be convicted pleading not-guilty then it would've been 7yrs, but they offered if I re-plead guilty, then 6 months. I had no choice, I took because because I knew my geek lawyer was no good. This happens ALL OF THE TIME. Its not rare.
Your correct, I wrongly believed they dealt with death penalty cases only. But in any respect this proves the justice system in many cases (that do not always involve the death penalty) is far from perfect. I have studied it and usually there is a lot going on, normally straight up crooked stuff not on behalf of the defendant but by those supposedly protecting society. I think it's natural, just as natural as not wanting to be wrongly put to death.
You're completely right; nothing is perfect. But overall, what I'm trying to say is that more often than not guilty people are put to death as opposed to not-guilty ones..
It's hard to imagine someone just missing all understanding of something anymore than this. You were saying that the justice system never convicts innocent people of murder but I show you 130 instances of just that happening over the last 36 years (mind you, these are just the instances of those who were on death row, not all of those wrongly convicted of murder are on death row.) These 130 people were saved before they were killed for a crime they did not commit but not all such people are lucky enough to have their innocence proven. There can be no doubt among rational thinking people that many innocent people have been killed by the death penalty. Most disturbing about what you've written is the last line "some criminals would be saved..." These are people that were found to be innocent, why do you call them criminals? That's a pretty low standard to judge the system by. You're saying as long as 51% of those killed by the death penalty were actually guilty then you're OK with 49% of them being innocent? I can't understand someone being OK with even a single innocent person being put to death by our "justice" system. That's just so lacking in basic human empathy that I can't even begin to understand it. But then to say what you're saying... that's just a whole other level. I don't get how anyone could even begin to make such an argument. I don't think you fully understand what you're even saying.
I know that's one of those "truthy bits of wisdom" that wingnuts think makes them wise (it doesn't, not even close) but we're not talking about people who simply said they were innocent, we're talking about people who were proven to be wrongly convicted. It's so amazing to me that the type of people who hold these types of fascist attitudes are the same type of people who watch Glenn Beck and are now screaming about "freedom." These folks don't know a damn thing about freedom. They just want the government to controlled by people like them. If you care about freedom join the ACLU.
I know they are kinda like some DP members, that say (stuff like) "Arabs/Muslims are generally are terrorists" then say "Your a lier, I'm not not hating on Arabs/Muslims, I'm innocent!" LOL Now just another ignorant statement, with no insight, no argument or logic but a statement that nevertheless is saying "so what".
I always forget that sarcasm is not an internationally recognized form of communication. Darn I should go cry in a corner now. EDIT: just realized that you are probably trying to say I am the person you are describing in your first sentence since you had made a lame comment like that towards me before. Sorry, it won't stick, you obviously have me confused with someone else. Or you can prove it and quote where I said those things. Come on, don't make yourself out to be a fool quote my where I said something as such (of course without stretching, lying or adding meaning to anything I wrote.) Don't let people think you are a bafoon, go find the posts where I said such. (Another face/palm moment.... do they make hallmark cards for these?) The responses you can get when someone completely missed it is hilarious. My bet will be that some clueless soul will attack me saying it wasn't sarcasm, etc... typical really.
And those who can't park worth crap. I always see people park over the line and take up two spaces!!! Joking aside, I feel that it depends on the crime. Obviously you murder and rape kids or multiple people, you're gonna get your just desserts. There has been small cases where the person was found innocent and they killed him so that could be a sway towards not having it, but now I think you can be on death row for like what up to 2 years? So that might not be an issue as much anymore.
Abortion is not comparable to murder, everyone knows that whether they admit it or not. Consider this: Even the vast majority of those who are anti-choice don't actually believe that a woman who has an abortion should go to jail. If they really believed it to be murder then they would certainly believe in prison time for women who have abortions.
So then, at least, based on your statements (above), even you believe that which is aborted to be a human life, right?
No. I see no reason for you to infer that from what I wrote. And answer the question at the heart of this whole debate: Do you believe a woman should go to prison (or perhaps even put to death if you believe in the death penalty) for having an abortion? If not, why not?