Let's go to war with Russia, Iran, China, and Pakistan in the NAME OF FREEDOM just to get warmed up! And when the rest of the world is pissed off and decides to go against us we can run for the hills and deny that we're Americans! Don't you love the people that come up with these ideas!!!?????
But wouldn't you rather have them in Iraq fighting our best trained soldiers instead of targeting American citizens in our cities?
one thing is for sure...they (alquaida) are delighted about the new easy and numerous domestic targets you have provided them with...and i know McSame will feed them with even more... oh and having an "army" on other peoples land does not prevent terrorists from terrorizing your homeland...
IRAQ HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11!!!!!!!!!! Bush used 9/11 as an excuse to finish up what his dad didn't finish. If we want world peace and want to get these terrorists we need to work with various Middle Eastern countries in a "diplomatic" way. Not by using these bully tactics where "you're either with us or we're going to bomb the hell out of you!".
We are creating them faster than we are getting rid of them. They never truly were targeting American citizens in our country, not on a basis that was frequent by any means. They have been winning if you honestly think of it, hurting us where it hurts most. I know people don't like to hear that, they just like to look at body count, there however is much more to it than that. Not only have we lost tons of soldiers, we have been brought to the brink of bankruptcy, we have lost respect around the world, plus to top it all off constitutional freedoms have been eroded. Even 'if' fighting them there was the answer, wow what a cowardly act. We put another country into the hotbed, citizens to die by the thousands. Yeah what a great method, are you honestly for others dieing so we don't have to?
There's no reason to believe that our presence in Iraq prevents terrorists from targeting us at home. That would only be true if there was only one terrorist in the world, and we were keeping him busy in Iraq. But there are terrorists in Iraq, Afghanistan, all over the mid-east, europe, southeast asia, etc. Every Iraq or Afghanistan casualty that we had anything to do with creates dozens of people who hate us. And many of those people are young men, who will be eager to fight us there, here, or any time or place that they can. The longer we are there, there more enemies we will have. Your children, your grandchildren, and your great grandchildren will be dealing with the anger and hatred of terrorists long after we are both dead. The sooner we wrap things up & get out, the fewer terrorists we will create. You can't eliminate terrorism. You can only create circumstances that do not inspire terrorists. Invading and occupying countries on the thinnest of excuses is not the way to avoid creating an atmosphere that creates terrorists. Many people here in the US have decided Bush did the right thing in invading Iraq. But people in other countries see us as the aggressors. As it is now, most of our "friends" are simply afraid to disagree openly with our policies.
News Flash There was terrorism prior to 9/11, Iraq didn't have to be involved with 9-11 to become a threat to the United States and a source of WMD for terrorist.
How do you know we are creating them faster then we are killing them and not killing future terrorist sort of how the big three auto industry ate into future sales by offerings employee pricing so people who would of bought a car next year or two years from now ran out and bought a car to take advantage of the deal, now sales are dropping off a cliff because who wanted to buy a car got one, I suspect the terrorist would at some point attempt to attack american but instead are dying on the streets of Baghdad.
Invade the entire Middle East and WE WILL SUCCEED IN THE NAME OF FREEDOM. I'm sure that makes sense to you Bush supporters but it doesn't make sense to me.
One its easier to get into Iraq to target Americans then it is to get into America people take the path of least resistance. Second as for creating circumstances that do not inspire terrorist, as long as the United States is the richest strongest country it will inspire terrorist. Just like Microsoft Inspires hate in the tech community, just like how people hate the NY Yankees, regardless if their points for hatred are valid or not. We weren't in Iraq in 93 when they attacked us, we weren't in Iraq in 2001 when they attacked us, they will look for reason to attack us, and weakness is one of the reason bin laden behind bin ladens attacks. The retreat from Lebanon in the early 80s enforced a belief for Bin Laden that the United States is a paper tiger and will fold when attacked and that inspired him to attack us. There are some people who only understand strength through force. AS for other countries viewing Iraq war as us being the aggressors, they also view the war in Afghanistan as us being aggressors.
Just because people will look for reasons to attack us, doesn't mean we should hand them a whole pile of reasons on a silver platter. People don't hate us because we're rich. They hate us because we interfere in their interior affairs, either by CIA sponsored coups, or by invading and occupying. As for appearing weak, I can't recall ever looking as weak as we do now to the world. Our soldiers are doing multiple tours, we can't even respond appropriately to our own natural disasters. Yeah, I guess you are one of the people who believe brute force and strength are one and the same. But they aren't. You underestimate our enemies when you assume they think in such simplistic terms. Underestimating your enemy is always a mistake. If we weren't completely blowing our budget out with fighting in Iraq, while Iraq has 70 million sitting in NYC banks, we could afford to fight terrorism and find Bin Laden. Acting as umpire to Iraqi factions does not meet my definition of fighting terrorism.
The CIA hasn't sponsored a coup in 20 plus years. prior to Afghistan we haven't invaded and occupied a country in 40 years. But here are some direct words from an interview with Bin Laden Question: Describe the situation when your men took down the American forces in Somalia. Bin Laden After our victory in Afghanistan and the defeat of the oppressors who had killed millions of Muslims, the legend about the invincibility of the superpowers vanished. Our boys no longer viewed America as a superpower. So, when they left Afghanistan, they went to Somalia and prepared themselves carefully for a long war. They had thought that the Americans were like the Russians, so they trained and prepared. They were stunned when they discovered how low was the morale of the American soldier. America had entered with 30,000 soldiers in addition to thousands of soldiers from different countries in the world. ... As I said, our boys were shocked by the low morale of the American soldier and they realized that the American soldier was just a paper tiger. He was unable to endure the strikes that were dealt to his army, so he fled, and America had to stop all its bragging and all that noise it was making in the press after the Gulf War in which it destroyed the infrastructure and the milk and dairy industry that was vital for the infants and the children and the civilians and blew up dams which were necessary for the crops people grew to feed their families. Proud of this destruction, America assumed the titles of world leader and master of the new world order. After a few blows, it forgot all about those titles and rushed out of Somalia in shame and disgrace, dragging the bodies of its soldiers. America stopped calling itself world leader and master of the new world order, and its politicians realized that those titles were too big for them and that they were unworthy of them. I was in Sudan when this happened. I was very happy to learn of that great defeat that America suffered, so was every Muslim. ... http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/who/interview.html Looks like someone has a problem with us being a superpower
The mujahideen probably wouldn't have stood a chance without our help. The Stinger SAMs alone that we provided may have turned the tide.
I totally agree with you, at the same time, our help to them wasn't appreciated, as the only superpower left then turned on the people who helped them, because of our status as a superpower
Looks like he objects to the effects of war, death and destruction; "oppressors who had killed millions of Muslims" "the Gulf War in which it destroyed the infrastructure and the milk and dairy industry that was vital for the infants and the children" 'blew up dams which were necessary for the crops people grew to feed their families" And since he calls us a paper tiger, I cant reconcile your statement that "someone has a problem with us being a superpower" He's saying we really aren't a superpower, isn't he? But I don't agree with you quoting bin laden in the first place. Who knows hat he really thinks, I don't trust him to tell us, do you? As for the CIA sponsoring coups, do you expect them to list these events on the front page of the NYT? That's naive. What was it that happened in Haiti recently? The elected leader was rushed out of his own country by US operatives, right?
It has been long known that experts on terrorism and our own CIA have stated the war in Iraq has created terrorists, not gotten rid of them. I'm sure some will dispute these links, these however are a 2 second search as I have to leave in a second to take my son to school. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7460-2005Jan13.html http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jan/14/world/fg-intel14 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/sep/24/usa.iraq http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/48620/