Cyber Crimes & Laws

Discussion in 'Legal Issues' started by smellyfinger, Jun 10, 2013.

  1. #1
    I would like to know a few things, preferably from some who is either an expert, or has an experience with it:

    a) how to file a case related to cyber crime/ scam/ dispute ?
    b) what do to if the parties involved are located in different countries?
    c) what would qualify as a proof for in tangible goods (like articles, softwares etc)
    d) can emails correspondence and paypal invoice be treated as evidence in here?

    Thanks!
     
    smellyfinger, Jun 10, 2013 IP
  2. Snat

    Snat Well-Known Member

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    If it is a criminal matter you would go to your own local police station and report the crime there. Then it will make it up the system to where it needs to go.

    If it is a civil matter (such as someone ripped you off) and you are within the EU (and the other person is within the EU) you would do it at your local court. If either of you are outside the EU then normally you would have to file the civil matter at the court of the other country - something that would cost a lot and never heard about anyone being successful filing in their own country.

    For the rest of your questions, it depends really on if it is a civil or criminal matter.
     
    Snat, Jun 11, 2013 IP
  3. blockdos

    blockdos Active Member

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    IN US you can report to fbi, they have a form for it but you probably will not get response. I think you have to show at least $5k in damages or loss before they even investigate. However if you have a good police department sometimes they can be a little more help then just filing a report.
     
    blockdos, Jun 11, 2013 IP
  4. dscurlock

    dscurlock Prominent Member

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    scams occur daily world wide, most of them are lost causes...
    sounds like you bought something via paypal, and got burned....
    paypal only covers physical goods, but you can just as easily get
    burned if someone put a rock in a box and sent it to you, then they
    send paypal proof showing that the rock was shipped. paypal does
    not really know whats in the box, they are just looking for proof of shipping...
     
    dscurlock, Jun 15, 2013 IP
  5. smellyfinger

    smellyfinger Well-Known Member

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    This is against non payment of intangible goods (articles) sent to the buyer (at his email); would like to know if we can take any legal action against the non payment and in case yes, then what would serve as proof in that case.

    Thanks!
     
    smellyfinger, Jun 17, 2013 IP
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    biftek Active Member

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    is the person in the same country same state? if so then as said above take all your records , emails , ebay/gumtree/whatever records into the cop shop and file a case
     
    biftek, Jun 18, 2013 IP
  7. Mike Plasse Victim

    Mike Plasse Victim Peon

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    Is this a cyber crime and can anything be done about it?

    Two Week Project Now In Tenth Month! (older reported scam thread here:
    https://forums.digitalpoint.com/threads/phpconnection-com-custom-php-programming-starting-at-15-00-per-hour.81696/ )

    Michael Plasse aka Mike Passe, Very Awesome Inc. signed an agreement fraudulently using the name Mike
    Passe and Very Awesome Inc. This was probably done to prevent finding negative online reports under his real name (MICHAEL
    PLASSE). Checking registrations throughout the USA, the company Very Awesome Inc he used in not registered and probably doesn't
    exist. An arrest record is shown online for credit card fraud also.

    Why would anyone be suckered into waiting ten months for a quoted two-week project? If you read through the above referenced
    thread you may have some understanding. Mike Plasse is a real con artist. He makes realistic promises and then comes up with
    excuse after excuse (not real) and then promises again and that drags on for weeks. The bottom line is that to date no working
    website or working app has been delivered.
    What adds to this crime is that Michael Plasse was asked in writing on numerous occasions if he was unable to meet his contract
    commitment and should the project be turned over to another programmer. On each separate occasion he mislead purposely by
    advising "no, I'll finish it soon".

    In addition, in the 9th month he agreed to a $500 per day late penalty... this agreement included a completion schedule which
    he himself prepared. To date, the late fees accrued are about $30,000. Now he says he is under great stress and can't work and
    wants to negotiate a new agreement - imagine that! He also states he works for a law firm and any attempt at legal action will
    not be successful. Asked what law firm he works and no answer.

    As other say in the older thread, Michael Plasse is a dream killer. He constantly makes you believe that the project completion
    is just around the corner, only to delay for another month or two - then repeats the same. When he saw that online negatives
    about him were discovered, he unilaterally refunded the initial deposit and several hundred dollars more -- he prides himself on
    this even though it came in the 8th month of non-performance. This was most likely done under threat of contacting the Rhode
    Island Attorney General. Mike Plasse address and phone number track to Providence, Rhode Island.

    Michael Passe (a Mike Plasse alias) is a serious con artist and knows all the tricks. For example, immediately after signing the
    agreement, he says he has some great iPhone/ Android Apps for sale and entices you to buy them for $2000 - $4000. If you don't
    go for that, he will entice you to go into business with him by investing thousands and he'll show you how much money can be
    made. Imagine this -- after 9 months of his constant lies, he tried the very same thing again!

    Another favorite tactic is to come up with ideas that allow him to delay further. When he said he was almost 100% complete with
    the app, he heard about the new iOS7 software for the iPhone. So he said he would make the app iOS7 compatible -- so that gives
    him two more months of delay -- and as usual no app is ever delivered, nor shown.

    Another delay tactic is to suggest changes like for example a competitor may make changes or introduce a new app -- Mike says
    these are worth investigation and delays the project for another month of absolute nothingness but more lies and promises.

    Stay clear of this serial conman, scammer, and liar. If you have been scammed by Michael Plasse, speak up and let the world
    know about him.

    The above information is provided as an actual client experience and represents an opinion of doing business with Michael Plasse.
     
    Mike Plasse Victim, Nov 4, 2013 IP
  8. Emberrx

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    a) how to file a case related to cyber crime/ scam/ dispute ?\

    Your local police department would be the correct answer so you can file a police report and get it on file

    b) what do to if the parties involved are located in different countries?
    Your police department would contact some one from there if they was actually interested in doing it(sometimes they lie) and they would talk back and forth with the persons local police department as long as you got there correct info

    c) what would qualify as a proof for in tangible goods (like articles, softwares etc)
    Anything can be proof as long as it is solid proof and not something made up because most of the time they can tell

    d) can emails correspondence and paypal invoice be treated as evidence in here?
    A paypal can most emails cannot, They can be used to try and show proof but any email can be edited aswell as most paypal invoices but if you can prove the paypal invoice was original like showing them your accuont then they can use it as evidence but a sheet of paper printed from your pc will never provide ample proof
     
    Emberrx, Nov 6, 2013 IP
  9. dscurlock

    dscurlock Prominent Member

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    and I would guess this is about as far as it will go...in writing...
    Police are already burdened with real day to day crimes, so unless your
    case turn high profile, then expect it go into the dead files...I bet the police
    would not let go of that donut long enough to make a single phone call....
    If the cyber crime had something to do with a child, then your cyber
    crime has just become obsolete; police do not have time to chase people
    that you failed to vet before you started doing business online....
    but hey, at least you will have a police report to show for....

     
    dscurlock, Nov 7, 2013 IP