Cure for Cancer? or is it an eternal destination?

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    Hi
    Is it just me... or have you ever wondered why there isn't a cure for cancer yet?

    Think about it:
    Billions of dollars are raised every year to "finding the cure for cancer". This has been going on for years. By now you'd expect to see some results, no?

    I mean... cancer attacks its victims in different shapes and forms and just about everything you eat, drink or do causes cancer, but why is it that they can't find a cure for at least one type of cancer? Is there too much money in the cancer sickness and research industry to put an end to it?

    What are your thoughts?
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  2. Kngavl

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    There has been huge progess in the fight against cancer. People are living longer then ever, rates are dropping in certain cancers. All the time new possible solutions are being found.
    That is hardly what I'd call no progress.
    It's a biatch of a disease and it takes time to find a cure, just like everything else. Even if you pump a million dollars into excavation for diamonds in the middle of the ocean, it doesn't mean you'll find anything, you may just be looking in the wrong place.
     
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  3. konradbraun

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    I guess that is one way of looking at it. We are living longer again with some of the advancements made in the medical field, that is true. You think though that the cancer rate is dropping because people are more health conscious decisions? Is there a connection you think?
     
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    I've been keeping up with dichloroacetate. Supposedly some cheap miracle drug that's really just a basic chemical compound.

    But because pharmaceutical companies can't make money off of something that can't be patented, it's finding tough support. Again, because it's just a chemical compound.

    The survival rate for cancer has increased steadily throughout the years though. Compared to some 50 years ago. Plus people are doing more checks and getting diagnosed earlier, but there just hasn't been a miracle drug that ensures recovery.
     
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    Very interesting. I have heard of people who completely recovered without a trace of cancer left by just changing their diet... or eating something they did not eat much of before. One person I heard of started eating only fruits and within just a few weeks was completly cured of cancer. As a celebration... they threw a party and she ended up getting a reaction to some fish meat she ate... and died from it.
    Now that she died from eating fish is irelevant... but what I am trying to say is... there is got to be a natural way of killing this enemy of the body (cancer). No?
     
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    I don't think there is a natural way, I know of to many examples of people who ate healthy and were crazy healthy and still just went down, both under 50. One is completly brain dead from a stroke, absoultly healthy guy no medical problems just one day bam, and a couple weeks ago the same story different result. Do not obsess over waht you eat, wheather it be healthy or not.
     
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    Wow... I'm not even going to lie... I think that's a pretty disgusting comment! I understand this is everyone's personal opinions and everyone is entitled to their own. Personally, I think that more money should be invested into cancer research! When cancer is cured, it will be crazy, all the people that will be saved......
     
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    These companies make more money making temporary cures and stuff, than they would making an actual cure.
     
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    Perhaps you misunderstood!
    Basically what I have heard people say is that because it is such a well funded mission (which is debatable) they would be crazy to come up with a cure... as it would mean less money for them. Now personally... I think if that were the case, THAT would be sickening.

    I am not a doctor and neither am I a major in science. So I am not taking any sides here and neither do I state things as facts... just asking for some different views or perhaps an explanation from those that have more insight in these things.
     
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    I guess if cancer was cured people would die from heart attacks and when heart attacks are cured people would go insane and when there is something to keep your brain from falling apart people would die from something else. So i guess what I'm trying to say is... cancer or not... even if we were living for extra 200 years people would still be unhappy and all these money would still be spent on research to make us live longer.
     
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    I think that was well said!
     
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    Does your doctor or medical practitioner have ever tell you that "you have cancer"? I hope this never happen to you nor anyone here or love ones. But it happened to me in 2001.

    What do you mean with a "CURE" for cancer? A magic pill or pills that waaalaaa? I'm not a doctor or any kind of health professional, but with a little search over the internet (God Bless Internet) you will find lots of natural remedies and treatment that will keep you out of cancer and/or help you survive.

    I lost a sister around 27 years ago with leukemia. After what I saw, I said to myself "there have to be something better than this" and with the help of the internet, searched for everything related to cancer. I found lots of products, but the most frequent common denominator was boosting immune system. (most product not FDA approved) I searched, found and use what I consider the best of the best immune system booster in the planet. Period. It worked for me and all my close family members, including my 82 y/o father.

    I have already lost two more loving sisters and with products that could make a huge difference in their lives supplied by myself. But the health professional just understood that they MAY interfere with the treatment (wooow chemo... great) and they didn't used them. A few months later, they were gone and product returned back to me.

    In 2001 (at 47) was my turn. An operation, no chemo, and up until today, no return even though yearly follow ups. My health professional just tell me "your case is rare" because I have done this to others in one, two, three four years after yours and I needed to make surgery one, two or three times to them .. but not to your". "THANK YOU MY GOD"

    Sorry for being so long, I'm not a common poster in this forum, but nothing in the whole life is more valuable than life. I may post more later, but is too long for this reply.

    Use a health professional, but you and only you are responsible of your health. Search alternatives and ALWAYS look for a second or third opinion in serious illness (A health pro was going to treat my father of prostate cancer about 3 years agi, but in the second opinion to other pro, there was never a cancer and latest PSA was 2.6 that is super great for an 82 man). Is sad to say that the economic power of the health industry is over the public health issues in most cases. Is my opinion of what I have seen.

    God Bless you All... today and ever.
     
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    Cancer is very hard to cure, but at least some drug was out giving you some extra life. and i think positive cures should be out soon.
     
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    I believe the same question could be asked about other diseases. Take diabetes for instance.

    How much money would the medical profession lose of cures were actually found? The medical industry would probably lose billions of dollars a year if cancers were cured.
     
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    I can only speak as a veterinary student, but we learn about cancer and it's treatments too, and it's really, really complicated.

    'Cancer' is a term used to descibe a whole bunch of malignant cancers. Every single cell type in your body has the potential to become cancerous my one of a dozen different mechanisms, and treatments that counteract one mechanism don't necessarily work for another. That's thousands od combinations that are all termed 'cancer', and each cancer is a random occurance and can be completely unique. It's also a disease of time. The more replications a cell goes through, the more chances there are to be a mistake that turns it cancerous.

    We are never going to have a 'cure', only a selection of treatments to have the cancer under control. We just can't go in and remove all the cancerous cells, or target them specifically with drugs. Those drugs that are used also target some healthy cells, you you get side effects like immunosuppression.

    A lot of the itme, especially in pets, treatment is designed to make life a bit longer and more comfortable rather than completely removing the cancer. If a pateint is 80 years old, the drugs are really hard on the body, so it may be better to make them comfortable for the next few years rather than put them through that ordeal.

    Iguess what I'm trying to say is that people assume 'cancer' is just one thing, not the dozens and dozens of different, mutating conditions that it really is. Significant progress has been made with some of them in terms of treatments, detection and recovery rates, but it really is a hard disease because it's (generally) not your body being invaded, it's your body invading itself.
     
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    innetent... thank you for sharing.

    My mom was diagnosed with breast cancer... and pretty much the same thing. She conquered it... but they chemo almost killed her.

    See the reason I am asking all of this is... she is a strong believer in drugs. She does not take vitamines. So after her chemo treatments, her imune system was so low that she could have died of a cold. Now... she refused to take any imune system boosters, because, as innetent explained, they just MIGHT interfere with her medical treatments.

    I used to be with a wellness company (goes back 5 - 6 years) and they had amazing testimonials of people (I even met some of them) that had a few months left when they finally decided to leave the sickness industry and get involved in the wellness industry. And Miraculously they were cured.

    That might not be the case for everyone... but I sometimes wonder why people stick with the person (or industry) that constantly gives them the bad news rather than them finding a person (or industry) that promotes the good news?! Why not - like inetent said - look for a second or third professional opinion?
     
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    Because there are a lot of scamming ******** out there that will sell anything to desperate people who they think are ogign to die anyway. My Uncle fell for some when he was dieing of lung cancer, even when they were so obviously more dangerous and less effective than the chemo (active ingredient was digested to cyanide).

    The best advice (in my oppinion) to give someone who is going through chemo is to eat well: fish, fruits, berries, meat etc. Some chemo treatments are immunosupressive, and it's true that immune boosters might counteract the mechanism that the drug is using to fight the cancer, but keeping good nutrition is really important.

    If it helps, I wrote this article to try to explain what different types of cancer treatments do, and how they damage normal cells as well as the cancerous ones.
     
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    I believe a big part is having a positive outlook on your life, before you get it and if you get it. Look at the cases with so many people who have had their disease cured, a recurring theme with all of them is that many of them had positive outlooks during their crisis's. They understood that they had a horrible disease/sickness but they didn't let it control their lives. But they didn't passively allow it to go on either way as well. Being positive will bring your mood up and it will also ease up the mood with others. If you had just months to live would you mope about it, or would you live your life confidently with a smile. Of course it is bloody brutal to do so but I believe that maintaining a positive outlook during the whole ordeal will aid in the reduction of the crisis whether it be physical or mental.
    It's horrible, cancer. They now say 50% of people will develop it in their lifetime. Of course we've all been effected by it in one way or another. A good friend of mine is begging to suffer from it, and every member in the family now has it safe 1 or 2.
    It's sick, cancer.
     
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    Kngavl
    Well said... attitude is HUGE. Having said that... knowing someone close who has it really puts a reality check on you. Thanks for sharing!
     
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    My mother died from cancer, my father-in-law as well...we have friends and other relatives who passed away because of cancer...I would have give billions, all the money in the world to have the cure and save them:mad:
     
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