In case anyone wants a quick laugh, I was looking for help and decided to search Google for "CSS Forum." A little tired from working all day, I clicked on one of the links on the first page titled CSS Forum and blindly went through the motions while registering. Once I signed up and started to browse the forum, I began to wonder where all the CSS threads were. After a minute of confusion, I realized I signed up for "Civil Service of Pakistan." Don't know why they use the CSS acronym, but I realized I needed a cup of coffee Anyway, I'm awake now and I think I found the right place. I finally understand what everyone's talking about when they say IE stinks! I'm trying to figure out CSS layout, and everything looks fine in Opera, FF and Netscape, but IE7 reads the page differently. I found a hack _ that works for position but it doesn't seem to work for padding. If anyone could offer any advice it would be greatly appreciated. http://www.geocities.com/jdmcelwaine/index.html Thanks in advance for any help. Jason