Official Cpalead.com - General Discussion / Network Performance

Everyone complained, Thats what. A CPM banner lowered conversions for us publishers. So in essence we were losing more then just a few cents for a reversal.

Well i dont speak for CPALead, But if you scroll back through this thread. People did complain about it (Me included).

 

And I was the one backing them on it. I am not aware of when they stopped using the CPM banners, but I know for sure they were using it when I recorded those leads that were just reversed. For them to still reverse my leads is not cool. I told everyone this company was shady.

 

And yet you still keep using them..... I cant believe some people. The thing is, CPALead does not need you to be with them, they arent going to get on their knees and beg that you stay. So talk trash and tell everyone they are shady and fingers crossed you get banned to prove your point. But you cant just "Blackmail" them into not reversing leads otherwise you are gonna tell a few friends that you dont like the company.

 

B2UEntertainment, I'm not understanding your argument. Almost everyone told us the CPM banners were not a good solution. Reversals are normal in the incentive CPA business and we do our best to keeping them to a minimum (yes we work hard fighting these reversals for you). Most networks will just conduct the reversal and not even tell you about it as they figure you may never even know the leads went missing unless you're keeping very good records. As part of our transparency commitment to you, we lay out your reversal information so you know exactly what users put in fake information and we even give you the option to ban them from ever completing a survey on your Gateway again.

Yet you still complain as if you could not see one of your own users putting fake information into these surveys. I do not ask you guys to support us no matter what, but I feel we are being more than reasonable and I am very disheartened that you would use the term "Shady" with our name in the same sentence, when most other networks are not even on here helping their own publishers in public like we are.

We are not a perfect network, and yes it shows with our transparency. But please know this, we fight reversals daily, however not every reversal can be stopped. I saw someone on here the other day offering their own Gateway script where you can put in your own offers (I have no clue how this tool can even work without setting up callbacks to the advertisers and scripting). If you think you can do a better job than us, feel free to use the Gateway tool with another network. There is a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes that most of you are not aware of when it comes to payment collection from advertisers not to mention keeping up with the highest converting surveys. It's more than a full time job and it takes multiple people to keep this operation alive.

 

Only 1 bad lead for around 500 legitimate leads, so 0,2% bad leads isnt a terrible thing, remember that incentivesed offers have a higher bad lead stats, but they also have a higher conversion on the publisher side,

im very happy with CPAlead, and no matter which network you choose, their always will be fraudulent signups, fraudelent reversals on the advertisers side.

 

CPALEAD is the best. Period. I hope CPAlead will last forever!!! MORE POWER!

 

My problem at this point is not the fact that you reversed my leads, it's the fact that you put that CPM banner on the gateway, telling it was to fight reversals and then you end up reversing my leads anyway. You're definitely shady in that aspect, because you came in here telling us one thing and yet the results shows me different. How can you even argue with that? I can go back and dig up your very post where you told us about the CPM banners, so why is it that my leads are still being reversed when they were recorded when you had that banner on the gateway?

So you're saying you are no different than any other CPA network that shaves? I already knew that, but I just needed you to confirm instead of telling everyone in here that you're different, when you do some of the same things that made those networks shady.

How is that you are "fighting reversals"? You submitted to people's request instead of doing what was actually right, which was to keep the CPM banner on the gateway and STOP REVERSING LEADS.

From where I'm standing, the only thing separating you from the other networks is the fact you have a fully customizable gateway for us to use. But the traits, the shady traits that made those networks so unbearable, you still posses them.

I can see why someone would want their own gateway constructed.

 

NO, No, no. The CPM banner was for ONE big reversal that effected multitudes of leads across many publishers. It was not for reversals in general, and most definitely not for reversals in the future.

You obviously do not know the difference between "Shaving" and "Scrubbing". Shaving is blindly taking the leads from you. Scrubbing is taking away fraudulent leads or ones that do not meet the criteria for the advertiser.

Why is a CPM banner right? Because you say so? If everyone else doesnt want a CPM banner then why should they keep it JUST for you?

I am seriously hoping you just get banned now. You have absolutely no idea. Advertisers have every right to reject leads. If a user types in "John Smith, 72 something road, 90210". It is obviously fake and why should you be payed for that?

You have to remember that CPALead is just a middleman of sorts (Like every other network) between advertisers and publishers. If advertisers reject leads, then what can cpalead do?

 

Well Said!

I agree, its not down to CPALead, they don't steal, they just made sure the advertisers are happy. Remember, if all the advertisers were not happy, where would all the publishers be?

 

Shaving is exactly what is going on here. I do not need a lecture on the difference between shaving and scrubbing. Do you work for CPA Lead? This is none of your business dude, please stay out of it. I'm addressing my concerns with this CPA Lead guy who is telling everyone here that they are legitimate when they clearly aren't. I've seen this guy continuously put down other networks to prop up his own, and seeing as how they are doing the same things those networks are doing, I find that to be shady.

I'm sure I'm not the only who wanted the CPM banner to stick, but that is besides the point. For them to simply put the banner on the gateway and still reverse leads speaks volumes about their practices. Either put the CPM banner on the gateway and stop reversing leads or don't put it on at all.

With that being said, I don't trust these people at all. They tell you one thing and they do the exact opposite. How do we truly know that these users entered false information? How do we know that these are legitimate reversals? Aren't they simply adding submits from other CPA networks?


And if I sink my money into something, I'm going to want to know what is going on. I don't want to be simply told "False Information was entered" and be done with it. They urge users to invest into PPC marketing, yet reverse the leads and put you into the negative and the only explanation is "False Information was entered". Really? If that was the case, why did he say this...

So either that "advertiser" wasn't in the wrong and simply reversed leads with fake information, or CPALead has put us at the mercy of the very same CPA Networks they claim to be better than. That is foul. I would bet a pretty penny that it was actually CPALead's reversal and they did that to "make a little extra on the side". No one really cares when it's a "small reversal".

I just want them to be honest and upfront with me. But from where I'm standing, they are no different from any of the other shady networks out there. They've got two things going for them right now, two things that are compelling people to actually defend their shady tactics. One is, they pay and they pay on time. The other is that they have a pretty little customizable gateway. Both just a smokescreen(of sorts) to hide their shady tactics.

 

troy can i use other gatewey script to promote your offer?

 

To be honest, if you don't like it, don't use it.

 

Hey B2UEntertainment, with all due respect to your opinions, I think your arguments are illogical. They have their strategies and we should respect them. We joined here not to pull them down, but work with them. I have been lurking in this CPAlead thread for more than a month before I finally decided to join them. I have asked many people who are part of CPAlead before I joined and all they can say is that this CPAlead is a fantastic network. I have read each and every post in this thread and Troy has provided valid reasons regarding some problems, they came out with good solutions.

I am pretty sure that 99.9 % of the publishers of CPAlead have put their trust to CPAlead and are still trusting them, and you are the .1%. I do not know if you are just trying to pull CPAlead down or maybe you own a rival company but I am telling you, you can't erase the trust of us publishers from CPAlead.

CPAlead ROCKS!!!!!

p.s. B2UEntertainment, do not be a cancer ok?

 

I've been using CPA Lead for a while. You guys are great, who cares if they reverse some leads your getting people to fill them out who just want to download something or get information.

 

Of course some are going to get reversed, if you where a advertiser would you take false leads?? doubt it

 

Since you declined to read what i said about this, i will say it again. Im sure if you read back you will find troy talking about a mass reversal. And that the CPM banners were to cover that. NO WHERE did it say "CPM Banners are for every future reversal for a lifetime". After the weekend when everyone complained, the banners were removed. Thus any reversal from that point on will not be covered by a CPM banner.

@Numlock EXACTLY!

 

I couldn't agree with you more they have been doing good since I get started with them

 

lol after three months of not using cpa lead I was just curious and added the CPA lead for one day just got my first $1


Good the gateway is improving all the time, Before we couldnt customise the gateway now we can.

All pointing to a good revenue stream for webmasters..needs some improvement before all the websites can use them I will too

 

I have a site related to premium rapidshare links generator. Can i apply to cpalead for using its gateway on this site?
I want CPALeadTroy to reply to my question.

 

Just apply to them and they will let you know if they accept your application