Couple stoned to death by Taliban in Afghanistan

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    Rest: http://www.smh.com.au/world/couple-stoned-to-death-for-adultery-20100817-1277r.html

    Well, that's Islam for you.
     
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  2. ghyper.com

    ghyper.com Peon

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    Yes its Islam, Its our religious laws. if a married man/ woman have sexual intercourse other than their life partner they are punished in this way. even though this punishment is not applied officially in any Islamic country other than Afghanistan & Iran. but if govts of Islamic countries use these laws, the Muslim dont have any objection. then why you have???? if you people care very much about humanity. then ask your armies not to attack at Gaza & Palestine. not to attack & afghans, not to attack at Iraqis, not to attack at Kashmiries.. leave the Africans' countries. dont create ciaos there. just do this favor & never try to interfere others' countries & their inside affair.. then world will become peacefull

    you people love to seek & find Afghani, Pakistani & Irani news.. well, not need to find because all western media is doing this job already..

    I m a regular visitor of 10s of news site, for example one site I visit, which is actually be a western news channel. not even a single week goes when I dont see horrible sex offenders' news from USA. they dont like to talk or discuss. but when a news comes about Pak, Afghan & Iran they put that at featured for a month. just because doing propaganda is their job. & most of all media do the same.. its their primary job to find only bad news about these regions & highlighting. where as they dont want anyone to see their own faces.
    y they dont talk about their own statistics.. in USA every 3rd native American woman is raped.. lets talk about this
     
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  3. Idiot Inside

    Idiot Inside Well-Known Member

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    #3
    Why don't you try to preach some other religion or simply atheism in the countries you think are not on the right path? Lets see how successful your campaign can be.

    Criticizing is easy. Correcting is difficult.
     
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    Well, I think that laws in Afghanistan are too strict, especially for tourists from other countries.
     
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    I feel really lucky not being born in such countries.
     
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    Helvetii Notable Member

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    This guy just supported inhumane murder by stoning of people who have consensual sex without marriage. Why do we need to spread propaganda when we have douches like him doing the job equally well?
     
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  7. ghyper.com

    ghyper.com Peon

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    Im a muslim. I support Islamic law if regulated well as they are stated in Islam, but some times few illiterate people make them complex which leaves bad impact. few days back when I red news about killing a pregnant woman by taliban, I didnt felt good. I was very frustrated because I know it was not islamic move or not was the same as example stated in Islamic history to deal such cases. actually it your state of mind or may be you people are self centered, thats why you people always watch news with same side which is shown by media..

    my question is that whats wrong with you if Muslims do something which relates to their religion? do muslim talk about when girls are married by dogs & men by goats in India at the name of religion??? No because we have nothing to do with others religion. but you always problem & i think that must be solved & the issue should be taken by muslims as primary
     
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  8. Grimm

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    Does the word "Forgive, forgiving or forgiveness" exist in Muslims? I'm starting to think that they don't even know what the word means. Punishable by death blah blah, Islamic laws are pretty darn scary if you'd ask me.
     
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    Forgive, forgiving or forgiveness, yes these word exist in social matters. but not for the limits & law set by Allah (God) in Quran/ Hadith.. we cant forgive or award far beyond Allah's saying.. He is the supreme authority. Allah has nothing to do with punishments.. neither HIS power will increase but all laws are for social justice & social benefits. to reduce sins & crime.

    In reall islamic laws, its stated that eye for eye, hand for hand & life for life. & if someone steal something.. one hand will be cut. none of these law are in working now. if these laws are implemented, I hope the crime rate will become lower or may be zero, because these punishments are horrible..


    you tell me would you like to see your wife doing sex with other men & society talking about it???? no you will do suicide or you will kill you wife, may be.. but in islam its very rare. but if it happens whether they are men or women they are treated same.. but unfortunately its not.. I never heard about the news about the men in punishments..expect the one posted above.. actually its not the fault of islam of islamic law but its fault of implementation & implementers.. otherwise Islam is a perfect religion. religion of peace, justice & humanity.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry, but as a Muslim, I can't condone stoning people to death for sex outside of marriage. As you yourself said, there are very few places where laws such as these are actually officially applied by the state, and that should tell you that most Muslims are opposed to this type of behavior. Why do you claim to stand in support of it? Did you also support the Taliban's recent murder of the 8 foreign medical workers who had been providing free medical aide to poor Afghans for nearly 30 years? When you try and justify it saying, "It is just their way", you are saying that Murder is just their way and we are all supposed to go about without saying a thing. It is wrong. You know it is wrong. Most Muslims know it is wrong.

    Then you should condemn those who poorly implement Islam. It is a blight on the religion. Will you join me in condemning the religious leaders of Saudi Arabia and the Taliban for their horrible and twisted implementation of Islam? If you are unwilling to do that, then you are just a hypocrite willing to allow any injustice to pass so long as it has the name "Islam" attached to it.
     
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    Because it's barbaric, primitive and bloodthirsty.... need any more reason why a mentally balanced person might be against the stoning to death of people for having an affair?

    On a different note, i'd like to thank you, for openly being what i have accused muslims of being for some time. Usually they try to hide their violent bloodlust, so it's refreshing to finally see an honest one. Thanks
     
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  12. ghyper.com

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    you didnt red my msg completely. I said that this law is partially implemented by in some region, but not in real sense & meanings. Some times its is misused as in Afghanistan case few days back when a pregnant woman was stoned. for your kind information Laws as I have discussed above are not men made or state made but they are Islamic laws. Whether they are applied or not , being a Muslim you cant question Allah for His saying, can you?

    Overall if you talk about implementation of Islamic law in Islamic world, no muslims are opposed by these laws. Irani are happy with their law, they are nationalists. Afghan may be not, because Talibaan manipulated Islamic laws & make then tough & strict.. Which, I dont support. As I said above if Islamic law are implemented in real sense they brings peace & justice. I dont support Taliban & their pathetic laws, but when it comes to American attack on Taliban then Im with Taliban. Yes "its their way not islamic way"

    Actually you didn't got real sense of my msgs, I replied to that person who asked "Is that your Islam?"

    well, whether Islam is implemented in right way or wrong way by muslims, who are they asking about islamic implementations.. only the muslims can ask the question for wrong implementation..

    I never come to know any twisted implementation of Islam by Suadi Arabia. but when it comes to Afghanistan, yes I condemn their wrong implementation. NOTE: I dont condemn implementation of islamic laws but the manipulated islamic laws
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately, the interpretation of Islamic law varies greatly depending on which sect of Islam you are addressing (Sunni, Shiite, Ahmadi) and even within those sects, not all fatwa and hadith are accepted. When you say Islam requires me to stone a pregnant woman to death, I say your version of Islam is perverted and wrong. It is not Islam at all. It is the same with the requirement of a Burka for women, and a variety of other silly rules made up by someone claiming to speak for Allah outside of the words of the Qu'ran.

    This is patently false. Have a look at what is happening in Iran with the Mullahs dictating the laws. They are on the verge of a coup. The Taliban are basically slaughtering those who refuse to comply with their demands. These people are an extreme perversion of Islam and more and more Muslims are realizing this.

    And why is that? Taliban are busily murdering thousands of our fellow Muslims to retain control of their drug sales, and you support them? Why don't you provide me a good reason why any Muslim would want to support them, outside of the threat of violence.

    That is also wrong. If you ask Sunni and Shia you will get each calling the other wrong. While the smaller details may not be so important, stoning a woman for reporting being raped is wrong no matter what which branch of Islam you hold.

    If you condemn these people who have manipulated Islamic laws to kill muslims, why would you support them over America? It makes no sense. Which is worse, one who claims no belief, or one who twists the words of the Qu'ran to suit his own ends?
     
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    You're not questioning Allah but you're questioning man-made Islamic laws which you said earlier,

    Social laws are man-made laws and I think as what Obamanation has said, they are Religious leaders who are twisted and horrible. Implementing Islamic laws which are obviously WRONG.
     
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    In my opinion, It all has to do with power. Lets turn the tables around for a minute. If KSA had the same population, power and status as USA & likewise USA as small as KSA, the world would be a completely different place because of the implementation of the Barbaric Islamic laws that are only practiced by the religiously attached countries. Ask yourself what happened to the Quranic commandment "pay Jizya or convert to Islam or get killed" ? It was implemented back in the days because Islam was in control. Can it be implemented in today's world? Never...unless any would want to get into a war with a more powerful Christian "infidel" country. So my point is, it has nothing to do with laws being inhumane but a matter of who is really in power and control.
     
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    very true. and more inefficient the ruler, more rigid the laws.
     
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    for your kind info Islam is Islam, Islam dont have any sectors. & Ahmadi are not muslims, according to constitution of Pakistan. I didnt said islam asks to stone pregnant women. I already condemn it. Burka is not Islamic wearing but its asked in Islam to women to cover up their bodies with anything.. whether scarf, burka or hijab or niqab. & muslim women have not problem with it

    your gen know is very low..fact is that in Taliban's estab phase the drug were about to end but after america came there now they themselves supporting drugs & now the production have increased xxx times before it was in history.

    Yes I support taliban against america. taliban are those which were trained & equipped by usa in 80s against USSR & now they have become a great pain in the USA ass in Afghanistan. and if they are terrorists , that is also just because of USA. & I know that ISI & Pak Army support the REAL taliban(not so called taliban, which were actually terrorist trained by indian in Afghanistan & working in SWAT & NWFP) themselves in afghanistan for many years & they will keep on doing.. the news like above in thread & killing about doctors are done by USA owned terrorist at the name of Taliban to spread hate in the heart of west & collecting sympathies from world, which they cant do ever


    you don't seems to me a muslim.. & I believe in this. so I dont want to waste my time in replying you. you are just talking as a muslim to mis-lead others & the picture the you are displaying doesn't really suite with your sayings. awfully your so called stupid group dont have any muslims inside but people just like you.
     
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    The word I used was sects. Are you telling me you are unaware of the various belief systems with Islam? Here is a link where you can educate yourself.

    Your constitution might as well say there is no moon. Ahmadi are Muslim, as are the Wahhabi, Kharijite, Sunni, Shi’ites, and Ghulat. These are what are known as sects. Don't feel bad, disparaging muslims from other sects is not uncommon amongst those who have not been educated in regard to the many sects of Islam. It is one of the major reasons we have such horrible Muslim on Muslim violence in countries such as Iraq and Pakistan. If you would educate yourself, I'm certain you would not be so quick to call your fellow Muslims unbelievers.

    Many if not most Muslim women in America have a problem with it. The Taliban permit only the burka, nothing else. This does not come from the Qu'ran. Are you not aware of this?

    I suppose you have some evidence of this?

    Too bad the Taliban did not exist when the USA was in Afghanistan, so what you are implying is not even possible. Regarding the rest of your allegations, I would love to see any evidence you have in support of your claims. The Taliban who kill Muslims in Pakistan are Indian sponsored terror groups, but the Taliban who fight america are good soldiers of Allah, despite the fact they kill, maim, and torture fellow Muslims? I think you need your head checked.

    I was about to say the same about you. You sound like one of those poor deluded souls who have been misguided and manipulated by the people who are ruining the reputation of Islam for the rest of us. Please take the time to go educate yourself.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    Actually stoning of adulterer is a Jewish, Christian (through old testament) and Islamic law. Jewish and Islamic laws for most part are exact copy of each other. The difference is that some countries and people have smarten up and given up on obeying their God and practicing religious laws while others still continue.
     
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