Couple Ad Network Changes...

Discussion in 'Co-op Advertising Network' started by digitalpoint, Aug 20, 2005.

  1. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #41
    i just switched all my big sites to static, see if it changes anything
     
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  2. iShopHQ

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    #42
    Anyone got the ASP changes that need to be made to run the update with the ASp version?
     
    iShopHQ, Aug 31, 2005 IP
  3. honey

    honey Prominent Member

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    #43
    Great update Shawn, it will be a tough time for me updating all ad_network.php files on a couple dozen websites of mine :(

    Cheers for the great work.
     
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  4. fryman

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    #44
    Shawn, I think you said something about this a while ago, but wouldn't it be possible for the code to have an auto-update feature?
     
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  5. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #45
    Yeah of course... it's very easy to do. But I'm not going to do it because of the potential for a massive security risk it causes.
     
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  6. fryman

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    #46
    Yeah, I remember you said something about security issues, but how does the "other" network do it?
     
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  7. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #47
    As I said, it's not hard to do from a technical standpoint. It just opens up some security issues that I don't want to deal with nor carry the liability for.

    Right now a worst case scenario if somehow the ad network server was hacked and taken over is someone could push out non-compliant ads to the sites in the ad network. If you allow all the sites to auto-update, the worst case scenario becomes someone hacking the box and pushing out a malicious script to every server that could do pretty much anything.
     
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  8. wendydettmer

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    #48
    Is this a required update? My main site, which was validating fine has now stopped validating even though ads are still on the pages in question
     
    wendydettmer, Sep 9, 2005 IP
  9. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #49
    Nope... it's not a required update. Have you tried revalidating? Might have been a network route problem between server and your site at the time your site was being validated.
     
    digitalpoint, Sep 9, 2005 IP
  10. wendydettmer

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    #50
    yeah i revalidated and it said it wasn't found on another page either. i'll play with it this weekend and try to figure it out. thanks
     
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  11. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #51
    What's the domain? I'll have a look.
     
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  12. Drakier

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    #52
    I noticed that some of the parameters moved around and I had to renumber some of the indexes on my arrays... (I was comparing an old ad_network.php to the new one)

    This helped me also update my ASP one so that they are all functioning properly now.. one of the bigger changes I noticed was the addition of the <id>s to the links and the change in the "get me some links" url. After a bit of tweaking, I was able to get the ASP and the PHP version to generate the same format of TXT file it reads from, then get the ASP code to properly read the new TXT format and display the ads.

    It's all good now... also.. ASP doesn't have a nice UDate, so here are functions to convert from Now() to UDate and back to a standard Date format..

    '-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Function UDate(dDate)
    UDate = DateDiff("s", "01/01/1970 00:00:00", dDate)
    End function

    '-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Function unUDate(iDate)
    unUDate = DateAdd("s", iDate, "01/01/1970 00:00:00")
    End Function

    '-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     
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  13. wendydettmer

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  14. t2dman

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    #54
    Great to have the last posts links on the tracker....

    Only 20 day static = rotating for Google

    I had heard wrong, and thought that the Co-op was moving to real static links. As Shaun has mentioned, it has nothing to do with "static" for seo purposes. While Google comes around some pages daily, often it is concept of once a month for deep crawl, and 20 days is unlikely to be enough to cover two deep spiders by Google for Google to see the links as static.

    Until I had read this, I had actually recommended someone to stay with DP...

    Personally, I can't see why real static links are bad from the advertising perspective. Certainly I see the concept from main pages. But normally it is me that is surfing around many pages, and so seeing many different links. My surfing habits provide the "random walk" around the net.

    The 20 days static will provide a little bit of SEO benefit where Google visits pages several times in 20 days.

    Why is advertising such a major issue - banner ads are notorious for low click throughs, and the links are basically that. But a properly designed static link network gives the utmost benefit so that you can get high SERP results that achieve a far higher click through since people are looking for the information.

    This must more than counter the slight negative from an advertising perspective of the links being static rather than rotating/rotating after 20 days.

    Although the Link Vault has had teething issues, and has not had the benefit of Shauns "Large Network" experience, it has done amazingly at getting pages to the top of competitive SERPS, and them remaining there. Shaun does not profess to be SEO. I like being with a network that has SEO as the aim. If DP can get pages top of the serps with rotating, how much more so when the links are really permanent.
     
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  15. aeiouy

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    #55
    While you give reasons why static links are good for sites, you don't give reasons why static links are better advertising mechanisms. I think Shaun has mentioned before that if static links were so great for advertising then Adsense and programs like it would certainly be using them all the time.

    I don't think you will get what you want, because that is not the goal of the co-op. As you know there are other services out there that do exactly what you want, so why would you want DP to duplicate those efforts? Different strokes allow people more options.

    Personally I tried to sign-up with Link Vault before using the Co-Op and my experience was horrible. I couldn't imagine being drug by a horse back there. While I messed around for over 2 weeks to try and get something going with link vault, I had the co-op working in 5 minutes. A huge difference to me.

    I understand the issues with the permanent links supposedly having some greater level of value, but again not what Shaun appears to want the co-op to be.

    On top of that web publishing is a horribly seedy business with way too many bad elements and the reality of any permanent link share system is it require constant vigilence as half the people are trying to steal from the other half.
     
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  16. MrLackey

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    #56
    Anyone open to a little adsense help? For me I mean..
     
    MrLackey, Sep 9, 2005 IP
  17. t2dman

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    #57
    Rotating links will be better advertising, static links will be better for SERP's. You get more traffic through higher SERP's. I argue the extra traffic due to higher SERPS is more than the extra pure click throughs gained because links are rotating. Certainly is the case for me.

    The LV site and system keeps getting better just as the co-op is. My high SERP's are testament that the system works well. Yes, there have been teething issues with the LV, but I for one have the patience to see that the benefit far outweighs the learning curve.
     
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  18. mortgage-pro-seo

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    #58
    How does one select between static links and dynamic links when setting up a new link?
     
    mortgage-pro-seo, Sep 12, 2005 IP
  19. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #59
    From the setup instructions page (the same area where you select number of ads, ad type, etc.)
     
    digitalpoint, Sep 12, 2005 IP
  20. Svato

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    #60
    20 days for static links virtually means that those links are dynamic. Vast majority of links are placed deep in websites' inner pages, which get deep crawled once in a while, definitely not fast enough to consider the link to be static.

    I don't see this as a change at all, the links are still dynamic...
     
    Svato, Sep 13, 2005 IP