Copyright Infringement, Intellectual Property and Pirating

That is precisely what Guerilla is saying, that stealing is justified.

 

i want to know is streaming a radio is illeagal?

 

95% of the world wealth is owned by 5% of the population

thats 5% for the rest of us to scramble over



So the world is unfair by design,But people are led from the top down

The top is corrupted and the masses follow

 

According to the RIAA, all radio is a form of theft now.

Of course, the RIAA has been paying the radio stations for all that promotion for decades. Now suddenly they want to get paid for what they used to pay for.

In the traditional music model, if you play someone's song you are practically running a commercial for the band. The RIAA screwed up and got rid of all the free commercials they could have had online, and now they want the radio to pay for running commercials for the RIAA!

What. A. Joke.

 

I run a tracker site

If what you are stealing isn't something physical its not stealing!!!!!!

 

Uhm, stealing is stealing.

I think you mean, if you copy something that isn't physical, it isn't stealing. Which is what I keep trying to get at.

 

God, I do love these arbitrary, self-serving definitions, in the self-service of thievery. "Property rights" out the door so long as it's someone other's actual property.

How about just copying DP in its entirety, and calling it DigitalPunked - Presto! Easy way to riches! Well done, folks! Wonder if Shawn's got a problem with that?

Do nothing worth anything, take it wholesale from those that do - a Creed to Live by.

Not in my world. And not for a good part of recorded human history, for good reason.

 

Touche!

Great point WT. I'll have to be careful about defining non-IP as "not physical". However, he's talking about an item which is not scarce. It can be copied as many times as you have drive space, bandwidth and/or media. Your balance cannot be copied. It can only be transferred!

 

Ahh but how about how the government creates currency out of thin air?

They are copying it as many times as they wish, beyond 'media, bandwidth, or drive space'

 

It would be nice if someone cut and paste from other than Stephan Kinsella and Lew Rockwell.com to make a point.

Here's a clue: concepts are defined by Man, for use by Man. Much like the so-called "natural" right to private property (that is anything but natural but constructed, to serve at least some modern societies most optimally), so is this notion that somehow a piece of dirt is property, but what emanates from the genius of Man is good for the commune feeding trough.

Look - "rights" are so, as they serve human need. It serves no one when an idea that is worked on for 20 years at great personal and fiduciary expense is free to be ripped off by the next parasite, uncreative nemo with a handbook on warez/blacknet scripting by his desktop. who can just swoop in and just rob the creative person blind.

What a person produces is essential to human progress. That production must include something beyond a dirt clod, with one's brute hand.

 

That is nothing more than trying to justify 'stealing'

If something has a value on any level and is taken, in my eyes that is 'stealing'

Had you not stolen that software/song/etc it would have had value for the owner of said product to sell it via some method to you.

 

That's enabled by legal tender laws. Meaning, it couldn't occur in the wild without being fraud.

It's also not IP.

But creative attempt!

 

I know it's not IP, but an example of something physical being created out of thin air, copied over and over and over again

 

Yup.

I hear that the same technology can be applied to toilet paper.

 

Brownbacks?

 

Well the argument against the unlimited duplication of currency is dilution. Same problem happens when you create company shares out of thin air, the value of the existing ones declines.

Does music suffer the same dilution? I don't think so. For forty-plus years the recording companies have been paying to have their music duplicated and mass-distributed through the radio. The record industry was much more willing to duplicate their content back then, they also made more money. Hmmm

 

The radio is far different than being able to select at any time which song you want.

Radio was a tease, a free/cheap form of advertising for the record companies to entice you to purchase the full record/tape/cd, etc.

 

I don't really see why a distinction should be made between physical products and easily cloneable non-physical products. Why should a physical product be considered more inherently worthy of IP protection?

 

Tracker sites are not necessarily illegal. It is a means of sharing files, but if the tracker site owner/server,whatever is storing unlicensed copies and distributing it, it may be illegal depending on what country you live in. There are lots of other ways to share files. What is illegal in many countries, is the distribution, especially for profit, of a copyrighted work. Personally I think fines in the US are insane, but I also think their needs to be some protection from having a guy download, rip, and make multiple copies for sale or distribution. The RIAA are a bunch of ambulance chasing guns for hire. Payola ruined radio. There are plenty of free songs legally on the internet, and if you have to have a specific song you can buy them cheap.