copy content but reference it legal?

Discussion in 'Legal Issues' started by dagg3r, Aug 10, 2006.

  1. #1
    hi all, im thinking of starting a resouce site, which means i am writing stacks loads of informative articles, also putting content from journals, books everything but my main query is this;

    i see great valuable articles and information relevant to my niche and what i was planning to do was make a section on my site and "COPY" and "PASTE" the articles so my site will have articles that i wrote and articles i have chosen from other sites so my site will be like PORTAL saves users going back and forward but i will REFERENCE and ACKNOWLEDGE the authors and also provide url link and date obtained and also stating that the article viewed belongs to that person and a full link provided so viewers can go there.

    is this legal? and would google treat it as duplicate content although i will have majority of articles i wrote myself ?
     
    dagg3r, Aug 10, 2006 IP
  2. klown

    klown Peon

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    i was wondering about this too, like the proper way to cite your sources so the search engine doesnt say its duplicate.
     
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  3. Keith Taylor

    Keith Taylor Active Member

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    Before you use any outside materials you'll need permission from the owners of the copyright. There are several article sites that will allow you to reprint their content with the proviso that you include a link to their site.

    If you find an article you really want to include that isn't posted on a 'free' site you can always email the owner of the work and ask permission to reprint with a link.

    Remember, before doing anything you should always assume that you don't have permission to reprint content. Most people will jealously guard their copyright, and there's no point in pissing anyone off :)

    Couldn't comment on how Google would see the content, though.
     
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  4. klown

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    for me google is the main issue
     
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  5. dagg3r

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    i see yeah its a "free" site, its informative site like you dont have to pay subscription or anything.... well i guess i will have to email the webmasters to see if i can get permission any other ideas
     
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    If the author doesn't allow, you can just copy half of content and add "read more..." anchor linked to the original content. Any author would love that instead.

    In fact it is the way most RSS aggregators including Google News work.
     
    brandnewx, Aug 13, 2006 IP
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    for me at least this isnt about authors, i can get permission. This is about google registering this as duplicate and therefore bad content which brings my whole site down.
     
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  8. jhmattern

    jhmattern Illustrious Member

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    You still can't legally just "copy" half of someone's article, whether you link to them or not. Half of what are generally short Web articles in the first place is a pretty significant portion. You also have to keep in mind that the articles aren't always posted on the writers' page... some sites pay hundreds of dollars for an article. I've sold several like that, some of which I transferred copyright to the client, and some of which I still have the primary rights to. Either way, if a client paid me or anyone else for that content, they have a right to expect no one else is going to be publishing it, especially if they purchased exclusive online rights. Most of the clients I work with would have a lawyer on you in a heartbeat if you tried to copy even half of an article, link included or not. They have too much invested in them. On top of that, w/o getting the owner's expressed permission, you have no way of knowing who the copyright holder really is. Sometimes it's the writer, sometimes the site. So just because you think the writer would appreciate it, it doesn't mean they have any right anymore to give you permission anyway.

    Jenn
     
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    So what's the hype of RSS feed if you can't copy half of content and link back to original sites? If the article sites have RSS feed, then it means nothing but "Hey! Copy half of this content and link back to me."

    If you understood the advantages RSS feed offered to the content providers, you would love the "half copied idea". I've read lots of marketing books whose writers personally boast how many RSS subscribers to his site are. They actually boast that there're more and more people copying half of their content and link back to them. Free traffic and backlink, what's better than this?
     
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  10. jhmattern

    jhmattern Illustrious Member

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    That's not true in the slightest. RSS feeds being provided does NOT mean "Hey! Copy half of the content and link back to me." RSS feeds are a service to a site's readers to make things more convenient for them. They're not a service for other webmasters who are too lazy to create their own content and want to profit off of posting someone else's work through ad revenues or other methods on their own sites. General readers aren't profiting off of it. They're using RSS feeds as a basic "tool." Taking the content for your own site is still stealing. Just because some content owners don't mind it for promotional purposes doesn't give you any right to do it or determine whether it's "good" or not for someone else. Many people value unique original content as a reason for people to come back to your site far more than a few backlinks.

    Jenn
     
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    RSS, Really Simple Syndication, is intended to be viewed in a newsreader or syndicated to another site. Do you even know what "syndication" means?

    Public RSS feed is meant to be free; thus, underlying content is free to be syndicated. The only right the author has is allowing either partial or complete syndication.

    If you don't want part of your article/blog to be syndicated or copied, don't bother use RSS.
     
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    I think you missed it on this one!

    An RSS feed provides a teaser for an article and it then has a link to the full item on the Authors website.

    Typically an RSS feed is 1-2 sentences and NOT 1/2 of the article. Just because someone publishes an RSS feed, it does not give you the right to just willy nilly re-publish half of their content.

    It DOES give you the right to publish EXACTLY what is in the RSS feed and NOTHING MORE. An RSS Feed is not an invitation to have your content ripped or re-published without your express written consent.


    I hope that you don't ever post anywhere complaing that someone stole the content of any of your sites - because with your above comments you are expressly implying that it is OK to rip any content that you want as long as a site has an RSS feed
     
    RRWH, Aug 15, 2006 IP
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    RSS feeds each have there own terms of use. Most are for private, non-commercial uses. Does this mean that if you are a webmaster, that you can't put ads on a page with such an rss feed? I have not found a free rss feed for "commercial use".
     
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    "private, non-commercial" use says to me it's for private viewing my readers. If you're running a for-profit site, and making money from ads, then it's not non-commercial. And if you call your site not-for-profit, whether it's true or not would be heavily determined by where you live and if you're required to register as an official non-profit organization or not (different countries have different rules, and possibly even different states in the US).
     
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