Yes, as I can see link-vault forum, theye are growing fast, but still it doesn't have lot of sites in one category, so relavance/theme is not working there yet.
well, if you have the weight ... you can go nuts if that's what you want. if you had, oh lets say - 186,000 volts ... that's 60 ads (with 3 variations of anchors) ... X 5 possible links a day ... that's 300 unique new ads daily. <-- WOW --> ... with just over 1000 sites, it's not going to have the impact (at the moment) if it were as big as shawns HUGE network. so you can go hog wild if you have lots of PR and lots of pages. i wouldn't do that however ... too easy to get flagged and against the purpose. anyways ... this is a coop forum, sorry shawn if i went to far with the how-to. i'll stand by my opinion ... running both is going to be VERY, VERY good thing if you have 2 domains (1 coop, 1 LV) promoting a 3rd domain AND assuming we aren't going to get whacked with penalties from G if they ID and don't like it (insert speculation here). muhuhahaha
Here is another quote from jwbond Let me see ummm ..... here is another quote from you one of them is lie and since you said both of them ..... here is quote in context
ferret, you do realize that if you use the quote feature on boards, you do actually have to use the EXACT words that the person used..."n no way did I say msn doesn't count the coop links." is not my statement (please post the link to the post if you can prove otherwise), I can tell simply by the wording of it that you summarized my statement and reworded it using your vocabulary (which we know is full of fun words like "that is wack"). in any case you seem to lose the meaning of my statements in the translation of it in your interpretation of it. This is something that wouldn't bother me if you didn't put it up on the board as if it was what I said. So let me summarize what I was saying for you and maybe you will get it this time, I have no time for Internet fights so if this doesn't work I will be sure to make a pop-up book version for you for you to understand I started off by saying the coop isn't AS effective for MSN as it was in the past. Not only have I seen this with my site, but others have as well (please see the posts directly after I originally made the statement, many others have confirmed the same findings). As in everything for seo this is not saying that you will see the same with your site as each search term is unique when it comes to competitors. The coops use to be very effective for yahoo and msn even for highly competitive keywords, but now it seems msn is giving less value to the rotating links. Now that is not to say the coop has no effect on G or msn. It just simply use to have more of an effect on msn, much like it still does for yahoo. I still see great results fo G and msn on my less competitive terms. Perhaps you disagree because you are dealing with terms that have only a small amount of competition, in which case we may not disagree you simply misunderstand. I hope that clears it up for you...Let me know if you still need to the pop-up book version ferret.
its from post #57 of this thread the other quote is taken from this thread http://forums.seochat.com/t32110/s.html were you and todiego argue about who gets to show their affilate link like a couple of hookers arguing over who get the last hit off the crack pipe thats some wack shit yo
Are we still discussing this ? I was hoping not post in this thread but could not resist. My 2 pennies. A. Coop is great at what it does Pro: i.) Easy to get into (LV does not accept low PR sites pages not cached. See Guideline 3 in it's forums) ii.) More backlinks than LV ! iii.) Great for MSN, Yahoo iv.) Free ! Con: i.) Have to put it in all pages (big-) ii.) Sub-domains are considered same as domain (big-) iii.) Apparently Google will penalize the coop for for rapidly changing links ? I think not. If you put RSS on your page you can also get rapidly changing links + 'duplicate ' content on your page and google is big on RSS and I doubt it can tell the difference between RSS, banner links and the coop. Or maybe it can depending on the speed the links change... hint... Link-Vault - Is good at what it does Pro: i.) You can put it on as few pages as you want ! ii.) Really nice user interface iii.) Autoupdates the .php files (big+) iv.) subdomains are considered different from domains (big+) v.) Free (at least for now) Con: i.) Much fewer Backlinks than the coop ii.) Only cached pages in google new sites are harder to get started with LV. I see the Coop and LV as two different systems. It really depends where you want your traffic from. My personal experience is MSN traffic converts well on some sites and Google traffic converts on others. Your experience will vary. I use this benchmark to decide if I want to use LV or Coop and if the site will get accepted. And I admit ahead of time that I am doing things totally wrong and off the mark by a large margin . Hopefully the list above will help someone. Add to it if I forgot something.
I can tell you from my perspective that JW is infamous for his cut and paste posts (while not actually understanding what he is posting) just to get affiliate link in. He used to be that way with the Coop and I always thought it made it look spammy but its interesting to see his overnight swing to doing the same thing with link vault. Either way he doesn't have a lot of credibility due to these posts in a lot of forums. Sadcox - Excellent post - Both are great tools that can round out your SEO efforts and your post summed that up without the emotional attachment OR an affiliate link. Really refreshing
To clarify Shawn's comment, if you do it violates the Coop agreement (TOS) and you will be removed from the Coop.
Oposite with me. I have very litle weight but I see some good rankings with MSN for competitive keywords. And some competitors using the coop are rulling the SERPs for ultra competitive keywords in MSN. Yahoo acts differntly, you know about manual fix of too competitive kws. IMHO the real goal of the coop is that it is NOT a link exchange scheme. And again IMO it won't get penalized as a link exchange scheme. I would be glad to see the coop envolve to contextual advertising netwok, much like adsense but coop not PPC. I want to see some targeted traffic from the coop itself not only from the search engines. Regards
Thanks, How would you feel about this,..I have a site with about 7k dynamic pages. It would be a snap to divide this in to about 3500 for each network. Is this a good idea? Keep in mind, I'm not knocking the coop, the coop and this forum have been a HUGE help to me and I'm grateful.
That's fine... you can run the ad network in a certain directory for example, and link vault everywhere else or something.
First off, this site is invaluable. I have learned so much and frequent this site daily. That being said, I'm relatively new to the Coop and was introduced to Link Vault. Being a newbie, I don't fully understand the differences. Also, is it within the TOS to have ad's from both as long as they are on different pages. For instance, keeping the COOP on my forums and Link Vault on my non-forum pages? If I want to try LinkVault and possibly come back to Coop, what is the correct procedure to ensure I do not get banned. Do I simply remove the COOP code from my pages, but keep my account active. From what I've read, both have good things to offer. LinkVault apparently has static links and a "slow and steady" approach. I only have one site that I manage and would never want to jeopardize the sites rankings. With LinkVault having a "slow and steady" approach, I'm leaning towards them. That being said, I'm sure Shawn would let us know if any of this were occuring. I've read a few posts from folks about a Google penalty and it does concern me. I'm still learning my way and appreciate Shawn's hard work and tools he offers this community. -chris
You can't mix the two ad networks within the same site (domain) but Shawn has said that on on a main domain and the other on a subdomain is acceptable. If your forum is a subdomain, you should be okay. Not 100% sure -- I think if you delete the Coop ads, your account will be deactivated the next time the system checks for ads. However, if you later add the ads back in, you should be able to sign into your coop account and click on "validate" to reactivate your account.
For now, I'm going to keep the coop in my forums which are at /forum/ and give Link Vault a go on the regular pages. I'm still learning about how this all works. I believe I'm better informed and hope to be able to make an informed decision based upon results. -Chris
Unfortunately, like I said...You read what I wrote and then reworded in your own prepubescent vanilla ice "wack" terminology. I was tipped off when you had me quoted as saying "no way..." Well this is all fun, but I can see that I am not liked by many in the DP forums, which is fine by me...but I can't deal with people posting fake quotes of mine and claiming I copy paste what I write (another falsity, which I challange you to find two any of my posts with identical text). Anyhow I'm off to forums with more constructive thinking and less online fighting, bc fighting online is like the special olympics...even if you win, your still retarded.