Don't forget what I said...you can actually see the webpages your links are on. The referral system works on the doggy bone principle, for every XX referrals you get a new doggy bone (priveledge). So I wanted to see exactly where my links were being placed it took 4 referrals. These guys started Dec 2004. One of the site admin's that I speak to claims timing couldn't have been better. I will also add that they seem very fair about link distribution. However they just don't have the memebers that DP has. It really doesn't matter how you cut it being involved with both types of linking will help you, but this is 1 SEO tactic only. Don't forget about the rest.
I would agree things could be explained better, or even diagrams would help. I'm still working on getting my referrals up since I would like to document how each of the referral steps work (only have one so far, which is another site of mine). The nice thing about the referral system is that you can be your own referral for sites you own.
I think you guys are too easily fooled by the pretty interface and messengers bearing affilate links I still have good luck in msn, it just seems to take longer I really doubt getting links slower or having them not rotate will do anything, at least so far. People can talk and talk but all I have to do is type a couple search term into msn and see my site sitting there, to know its BS. Actually I can type some stuff into google and see even more proof its BS, sites and pages still ranking with 99% coop links pretty much shows proof that half this stuff is still hype. With the rankings for the coop how long do you think it will take link vault to get a fraction of the memebers the coop has?
OK I'm being lazy - I could go to link-vault and try to find it but. . . How long will one of my links stay in a particular page?
The FAQ says once you are assigned, you stay there till you make another arrangement or they leave is what I took it to say.
Well, I'm testing the application to see how well it works. It's by far not going to work right away as fast as possible, but I have a feeling that over time it will benefit everyone due to the fact that links will remain on pages for a long time, and the links are on themed pages. So far backlink data is just starting to show up in MSN, though it's a bit paltry thus far. But new links are showing up daily. SERP movement won't be as fast as the co-op in the early going, but at the same time the Co-op was slow moving as well. I remember when I joined I could easily refresh my own page and see my own urls show up on my own pages on every couple of refreshes or so. So with Link Vault, you may not see a huge benefit right away, but it seems to be a gradual tool to help webmasters advertise.
Shawn is right, that the COOP is fine for text link ads, but personally I am in need for permanent links - have ever been as they bring me where I want to go - to the top... therefore I already started with COOP and had fantastic results in Google within 4 weeks - something I didnt manage with DP since Aug '04
is it just me or does that sentence not make any sense? I think its cool that there is an alternative to coop, I enrolled one of my smaller sites, I have to change my ads to point at a new domain so I can measure it better. But i tihink it kinds of wack to post lies about the coop, and then push an affilate link. like jwbond, you posted on another forum that coop links no longer are counted in msn I have site that is ranking top 10 in msn on coop links alone, and i can think of numerous others, so what is the basis of that?
I just figured msn slowed down, since my rankings held Has anyone found they gain rankings in msn or any engine faster or more consistent with static links? Does anyone have any examples of ranking from vault links yet? Or site that has tons of backlinks from vault links?
To soon for me ferret77. I am very excited to see the next Google bl update though. I have been with LV for about 1 month now...I like what I am seeing so far
Homer, do you mind sharing how things have improved/declined using LV? SInce you're happy I assume things are going well. What kind of increases in SERPS have you seen? Were these terms you were targeting using the Co-op before?
i'm gonna stand by belief that fewer static ads will kill many more dynamic ads. how hard is it for google to check the last cached page the site you were on and notice the outbound links are different ... like all the time? we aint talking about major processing power here people. why do my competitors sites have a fraction of the links my coop sites have and still maintain better positioning? google will try to squash any method/system they can ID that builds mass linkage. it has nothing to do with the interface, although it is pretty well designed ... both the interface but more so the application itself. the concept/design is superior. i still use my coop ads, they are still going to feed msn/yahoo rankings and google PR.
You guys are putting a lot of faith into a couple of people that police the Link Vault. You can't tell where your links are being placed (until you get enough referrals). With the Co-Op you have thousands of people ensuring that no P0rn, g@mbling, pharms, or link farms are submitted or later change to these types of sites. Link Vault seems like a big gamble. Also, it seems like a big concern among eveyone is, "are relevant sites displaying your links?". I tried putting some Link Vault links on my site and they were all irrelevant to my site. My last point, are you guys are worried about traffic from MSN? Look at the results for any search from a term you are targeting. You may be on top if you have any SEO skills. But look at any of the sites below your site. Spammy or just crappy sites. I think most people have given up on MSN. They came on strong a few months ago, but now sh!t. Most of my MSN traffic has tapered off, yet I'm still dominating every keyword phrase.
Uh, right. So you're saying that the co-op didn't have the same stumbling blocks at the start? How do you know where your links are being placed in the co-op? The only way I know of knowing such things is by doing link: searches in MSN. I do the same thing with LV links. It's no different. People constantly check to see what links they have on their own sites. LV is policed by its members the same way it's policed by DP. It's no different. And people are still using MSN, I don't know where you came up with that information. Check out the MSN forum here.
The two networks need not compete. They are not the same, they both have their own unique benefits and drawbacks. It's a shame the co-op TOS restricts the use of both systems on the same pages, but I can live with that. Both systems allow you to run ads on one site and target ads to different sites. So my 'money' sites are getting links from both networks, (and not displaying ads from either network). This seems like the best of both worlds - thousands of churning DP links and hundreds of static LV links. Where is the issue?
in yahoo, because they higher key word density in google because most likely your sites are less then 8-9 months old and you are not getting full credit for your links Also coop links tend to generate more then one link per site they are shown on, which can create lots of backlinks numbers, but isn't the same as having the same amount of backlinks ,one link on one site. Maybe the static link will work different. No one has posted any sites that they have used link vault on, no one has posted any backlinks numbers, and no one has posted any rankings changes. As soon as I have some more content written I'll launch a new site , and put just vaultage on it. So I can actualy see what it produces.
msn and yahoo no issues ... it's G i'm referring too. i'm in testing mode, but my results will be skewed ... i'm using both coop and lv to promote it.