Will daily public PR changes on different datacenters cause problems to the buy/sell textlinks business? I believe it would... Will daily public PR changes on different datacenters cause problems to the massive and systematic textlink exchange some people do? I believe it would... Google is trying to confuse all SEOs in anyway they can. OR... Google is simply broken and they never seem to find a way to solve it. As soon as one issue is solved another one popup.
billion, Google will not flip-flop on PR values once the update is complete. In fact there is really little to no flip-flopping going on right now. Most datacenters that have updated remain updated. The update has not spread to all of the 26 current datacenters as of yet though. A call to www.google.com redirects to www.google.akadns.net which then redirects the searcher to any one of the 26 current IP addresses (datacenters) used by Google. If you would like to see this for yourself you can "ping" www.google.com from your DOS prompt on your computer or use this little utility I have just made up. Ping Google - Just hit the "ping" button and wait a second and you will see the results displayed. If you hit the "ping" button again, watch the screen carefully, you may see the IP address returned change if you are re-routed. Your Google Toolbar is set to call the generic www.google.com which, right now, is hit or miss as far as going to an updated datacenter or a non-updated datacenter. To monitor the update of bot PR and Backlinks on all of the datacenters you can use this tool... Google Datacenter Quick Check - just be sure to select the Backlink/PR Update radio button. For a Google BL/PR Update to take this long is somewhat unusual but NOT unpresidented. One April 2004 Update took 6 days to propagate to all of the datacenters. Caryl
At some point a couple of days ago it looked like it was completed...and suddenly it bounce back again on some IPs..is that also usual? I've never seen it before?
It *IS* taking a while though.. I'm not into conspiracy theories, but it would certainly throw a spanner in the works if it happened wouldn't it ? What amazes me is how so many services remain dependant on PR when it can be so easily exploited/manipulated. It wouldn't be so bad if PR/BL updates were synched.. Cheers, JL
I find it hard to believe that G is doing this on purpose... If they really wanted to stop SEO'ists from using PR, they can just pull it out of the toolbar, can't they?
Well, as I recall, they did change the toolbar checksum at one point, I think they added a freshness calc. If the freshness string wasn't included, an erroneous PR was returned, while a proper query yielded correct results. They could have just responded with 'error - bad query' or the like, but instead.. bogus PR. Some say it was just Google humour.. I'm sure they've better things to do with thier time nowadays tho - oh and just to clarify - I do find a conspiracy highly unlikely. Cheers, JL
john lock, Until last june, all of the Google Updates were both PR and Backlink updates, together. You can see the History of the Google Updates here. I have kept this data ever since the Florida Update. It was reported last Sunday on the 60 Minutes interview with Google, that they have over 100,000 servers now in service. Thats a heck of a lot of updating to do. Yes, I think they are having a time of it this time. But, I do NOT think they intend on delivering random results for long. Caryl
I posted this in another thread a few days ago... You can use this to point your Google toolbar to one of the updated/stable datacenters and avoid the flip-flopping the random datacenters are reflecting at the moment. Caryl
Page Rank is still fluxing and I have noticed that automated queries against one single toolbar-PR server return worse results than “distributed†PR queries… this is great from a Google viewpoint to cause confusion… The facts that a) a lot of Google Tools use the PR checksum algorithms to query only toolbarqueries.google.com which translates to one single server b) the only public tool that queries more servers I know is the Future PR tool by SEOCHAT http://www.seochat.com/seo-tools/future-pagerank/ cannot handle multi page queries c) massive queries (1 request / second or faster) to a single PR server return zillions of low PR values causes a) you (and me) to believe that PR has dropped when it hasn’t really (double check in your Toolbar AND against other servers!) b) causes a REALLY weird “flux†effect on large PR queries c) tool builders needing to understand the new traps that Google invented (like I had one AHA this afternoon) AND to implement them into their tools… and THEN the new PR values can be checked... but –this PR instability will cause confusion just as the “broken backlink tool†already did for link customers and traders. MANY or MOST of the online PR SEO tools are thereby rendered USELESS as of today… a nice strategic move by Google, eh? Don’t you agree? Even the SEOCHAT tools like http://www.seochat.com/seo-tools/pagerank-search/ and other professional SEO tools return these strange results as they all query one single PR server…
Kewler, As the author of the Datacenter Quick Check tool that checks for both the number of reported Backlinks as well as the Current reported PR on each of the 26 different Google Datacenters and the tools below in my signature, I am quite aware of what it takes to perform all of these functions. I am not sure I understand what you are talking about when you say that "MANY or MOST of the online PR SEO tools are thereby rendered USELESS as of today". Most tools are NOT geared toward monitoring or reporting on all of the datacenters. 99% of the time Backlinks and PR values are the same across all of the datacenters so that is not neccessary! There are NO NEW TRAPS! A few tools such as mine (link above) and SEO Chats ARE set up for the purpose of viewing the progress of a Google Update. This is a normal process! Sometimes it takes only a day or so and other times it has taken a week or more. BUT IT WILL STABILIZE. The update will be completed within the next day or so and everything will be back to normal. Everyone please be patient. Caryl
The confusion goes on. Does anyone else but me see the PR 1 for THIS PAGE? This thread was started earlier TODAY by me! Can someone PLEASE explain. What is going on? Am I missing something? Correction, not this page. The startpage for this page. Page No. 1.
I see PR1 for the 1st page of the thread as well as this one. But the main Google threasa page is white bar. Go figure.
really it is a nice tool, but I just wonder how to interpret the date that is show. I understand what is shown, but how to use in at your own advantage. For example, when you use the alin function, and your site is shown at the top in all the alin variants, and you site is still not in the serps, hmmm. Basically, it does not tell you that much in a sense of why you aren't listed I guess. So is it more than just a nice playing tool? and how should u use the date?