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Cluster bomb left from 2006 war wounds 4 children in S. Lebanon

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by iggysick, Apr 24, 2008.

  1. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #101
    I guess it is time to stop the accusations and counter accusations, lets have a discussion not a quarrel. Can the two gentlemen here discuss in a more civilized manner?

     
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  2. imad

    imad Peon

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    #102
    :D you forgot some details

    in 12.7.2006 9:05 AM, some cute Israeli soldiers were playing hide and seek on the Lebanese borders, at the same time a group of Hizballah fighters came and asked if they can play with them, the Israelis soldiers replied negative, and one added "we do not play with terrorists"

    Hizballah fighters got mad, and murdered 3 three innocent Israeli soldiers, and kidnapped 2 with them. in the rescue attempts, right after the attack, 5 more soldiers got killed, our sources did not mention if they were playing hide and seek before they got murdered.

    the point, source, add your sources please
     
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  3. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    #103
    ohh ...... :D
     
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  4. Ohad

    Ohad Guest

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    #104
    At around 8:07 AM local time (06:00 UTC) on 12 July 2006, Hezbollah launched diversionary rocket attacks toward Israeli military positions near the coast and near the border village of Zar'it[37] as well as on the Israeli town of Shlomi and other villages.[38] At the same time, a Hezbollah ground contingent crossed the border into Israeli territory and attacked two Israeli armoured Humvees patrolling on the Israeli side of the Israel-Lebanon border, near Zar'it, killing three, injuring two, and seizing two Israeli soldiers (master sergeant Ehud Goldwasser and first sergeant Eldad Regev).[37][39] Five more Israeli soldiers were killed later and a tank was destroyed on the Lebanese side of the border during an unsuccessful attempt to rescue the two seized soldiers.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict#Beginning_of_conflict

    (i wrote 9:05 by mistake)
     
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  5. imad

    imad Peon

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    #105
    source

    the first who reported it was the Lebanese police ( not hizballah or Israel)

    of course, Israel has a long history of crossing to the Lebanese side of the borders, on November 24, 2005:

    source

    the border area between Lebanon and Israel been calm for 5 years after Israel withdrawal from Southern Lebanon.

    what is interesting, that Israel only weeks before July 12 called for its reverse divisions, did they know that hizballah was going to kidnap soldiers?

    source

    this reminded me with Moshe Dayan tractors:

    -- Moshe Dayan, Israel's former Minister of Defence, describing how to provoke a military incident on the Golan Heights. From a 1976 interview with Yediot Ahronot newspaper, given on condition that it not be published till after his death. Cited in Ari Shavit's The Iron Wall, p.236-237.

    source
     
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  6. Ohad

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    #106
    The soldiers didn't cross the border. it's a lie. they patrolled along the border, as they do every day, as every country do every day in her borders.
     
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  7. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #107
    It seemed everything to you is a lie, do you have first hand witness account that the soldiers never cross the border? Wonder how do they invade Lebanon then? Or did Lebanon shift their border into Israel territory so as to convenience Israel's invasion?

     
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    #108
    He is a 15 year old kid, too young to know, realise and accept the reality of his own countries atrocities
     
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  9. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #109
    I do not wish to discount anyone because of age, he may have a wisdom far beyond what his age suggested. His willingness to sieve through the facts to post here shows his willingness to learn and absorb knowledge.

    One issue I took up especially against him was his perception, it seemed to him there were only two colors black and white, true and false, without realizing that in life, various shades of grey existed.

    As I said before and I said again, it takes two hands to clap and two hands to fight too, both sides were at fault, though sometimes, the fault lies with neither of them but with their former colonial masters and even earlier.

    I do hope that these two great and ancient people Palestinians and Jews can look beyond the past and secure ever lasting peace in the future.

     
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  10. Ohad

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    #110
    I really don't understand you. can't you read?!!?!?

    At around 8:07 AM local time (06:00 UTC) on 12 July 2006, Hezbollah launched diversionary rocket attacks toward Israeli military positions near the coast and near the border village of Zar'it[37] as well as on the Israeli town of Shlomi and other villages.[38] At the same time, a Hezbollah ground contingent crossed the border into Israeli territory and attacked two Israeli armoured Humvees patrolling on the Israeli side of the Israel-Lebanon border, near Zar'it, killing three, injuring two, and seizing two Israeli soldiers (master sergeant Ehud Goldwasser and first sergeant Eldad Regev).[37][39] Five more Israeli soldiers were killed later and a tank was destroyed on the Lebanese side of the border during an unsuccessful attempt to rescue the two seized soldiers.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict#Beginning_of_conflict
     
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    #111
    So where it is says: "firing tens of rockets on Israel's civilians"? :)
    You again where there and know exactly what happened and we just should believe you? :D
     
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    #112
    so you are blind too? that's why you can't see that Islam taking over the world.
    i marked it in RED!
     
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  13. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #113
    Peace! Let this continue as a discussion on the topic concern, refrain from personal attacks.

     
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    #114
    I'll ask you one more time: where is it says: "firing tens of rockets on Israel's civilians"?
    As usual you can't prove your words so let's make it personal. I should count how many times so far you called someone liars since you started to posting here. Everyone is a liar 'cept you thou ,as I can see, only you keep ignoring answering questions which can show that your claims could be debunked, and only you have hard time proving your claims. :)

    Do you know what diversion attack is btw?
     
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  15. Ohad

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    #115
    are you arguing about the number? the fact is that you lied. you told that Hezbollah started to fire rockets on Israeli civilians in the third day of the war. but the fact is that they fired rockets on Israeli civilians already in the terror attack the began the war.

    I know what is diversion attack. so you are saying that this is OK to bomb civilians because it is diversion attack?!!?
     
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    #116
    I know how much eager you are to say "hizballah attack civilians" but lets see what UN said about it:

    source

    your source (wikipedia) says:

    your source says it started on 8:07 while UN says it started on around 9 when hizballah launched rockets, there is a difference, I believe something happened before Hizballah launch its rockets at 9, and they were on IOF positions not civilians.

    something does not seem ok about the time, from 8 to 9. but you can see in the UN report, that Hizballah started by attacking IOF positions. Then Israel started a campaign (which they been prepared to as Israeli PM said later) ground, sea, and air attack on what? roads, airports, fuel stations, civilians... then later it mention > in addition to hizballah positions.

    rockets are different than missiles, while Israel was using missiles, and hizballah was using rockets, during the war Nasrallah was giving Israel warnings, if you attack civilians, we will attack haifa, and beyond haifa, until last days, when he said if Israel bombed Beirut, hizballah will bomb Tel-Aviv, he gave warnings in advance, Israel to be fair, also gave Lebanese civilians in the South warnings, and told them to evacuate, then bombed them same day while they were on roads heading North.

    in the first few days of war, the average was 100 rockets launched daily on Israel, later as the war advanced the average became 200, then dropped, until the last day Hizballah fired 250 rockets.

    its not known how many hizballah fighters there are but estimates say 2000, they do not have tanks or jets, on the other hand, Israel has more than 4000 tanks ( i think more than USA) and they sent more than 30,000 soldiers, plus been bombing whole Lebanon from ground, air, and sea.

    you should expect that your towns and cities will be bombed when you start by bombing civilians anywhere in Lebanon, Hizballah had patience though, and did not start bombing big towns first day as Israel did, they been mostly targeting IOF positions, the body count says that most Israeli victims were military, while most Lebanese victims (more than 1,100)were civilians.


    PM 'says Israel pre-planned war'

     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #117
    United Nations lies? :)

     
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    #118
    no I do not think so, but the timing seems not accurate, so I think there is something happened before 9, that UN was not aware of.

    Ohad quoted from wikipedia first time with (9:05 AM) then later, said at 8:07 and commented
    when somebody quote usually they copy and paste.

    I might be wrong, but something does not seem ok about the time this thing started.
     
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    #119
    UN version differs from Ohad, so it is very obvious that UN lies.


     
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    #120
    oh I got it now, in this case, we can add UN, to AI, HRW, BBC, Reuters, me, other members of this forum, they all have been proven to lie according to Ohad.
     
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