This message is a "Public Service Announcement" to anyone considering Clicksor. They promise publishers an apparent decent rate of return on CPM / CPM. However, they seem to be "shaving" payments owed to publishers. In a test campaign, we sent then over 40,000 impressions on two of their ads. However, they alleged that the ads only received a couple hundred impressions. We then indicated that we would send them proof of the impressions their ads generated. They ignored our offer to provide them with proof, and then essentially cut-off our account.
Clicksor is well known for its bad business tactics. The usual is they wait for you to accumulate thousands in earnings then they ban you with no notice or reason. At the end of the day though, thats why you start off slow and ramp up impressions. 40,000 impressions is really small in terms of dollar amount. When you are dealing with a network that pays revshare it means you are at their mercy and far too many networks take advantage of that unfortunately.
Hi agora, thank you for bringing this to our attention. I understand your frustration, but please allow me to explain why a discrepancy may occur between the report you have compared to Clicksor's report. A discrepancy occurs in every network and there are many factors that may result of this. For example, the geographical location you're monetizing your traffic from, the amount of repeated IPs being sent, the validation rate, etc. In addition, if you are running banner ads with us, not all impressions will be credited because some ads delivered may be counted as a CPC impression (our CPMs contain a small portion of CPCs). In a nutshell, if publishers are sending a large portion of their traffic from U.S. and U.K. with minimal repeated traffic, the discrepancy should be within 15%, otherwise, it's generally higher. Hope this helps answer your question. If you do have further concerns, you're welcome to PM me your account ID or shoot me an email at . I'll be happy to help you out.
And this explanation is why I suggest staying away from them. Discrepancies are not caused by Geo's, or Frequency (amount of times 1 person see's the same ads), or "validation rate" (which i've never head of). Put very simply factors which cause discrepancies are as follows: * Ad server overloading which causes load delay times which when going from page to page will cause the impression to be skipped. * Fraud Detection Systems detecting the browsing behavior or user agent definition as matching a definition defined by a bot, malware, and impression fraud list (usually provided by IAB). * Networks double targeting a campaign, causing discrepancies. * Networks reselling impressions / daisy chaining causing impression load time to go up which means more likely the ad won't get shown. * Passbacks * Networks Skimming Impressions As for running banner ads...The above applies to banner ads. Saying "not all impressions will be credited because some ads delivered may be a CPC Impressions" - first off, there is no such thing as a CPC Impression or a CPM Impressions, an Impression is an Impression which is an Ad Load. Having a CPC / CPL / CPA / CPM / CPI or any other campaign type does not effect the amount of "Impressions". What would be effected by a CPC campaign running is your over all earnings (because its a different billing model) not your impression count. Your Discrepancy should NEVER - be higher than 15% - if it is there is a problem. The statement "traffic from U.S. and U.K. with minimal repeated traffic, the discrepancy should be within 15%, otherwise, it's generally higher. " is completely inaccurate. Discrepancies are not caused by the Country/Geo of the traffic. But this is why you join a network which has staff that knows what they are doing and talking about.
Clicksor is not being a reputable network for publishers when it clearly is substantively "shaving" the amount of impressions that have been actually generated by its advertising. For example, according to Clicksor, an ad which had generated over 50,000 impressions only actually received just over 100 impressions. This is much more than a 15% discrepancy. When we brought matters pertinent directly to the attention of Clicksor, they basically totally ignored our email, and have no apparent plans of sending us the money that they owe us (from the shaved data that they are using).
Clicksor's is a known case. While they are not a complete scam network, they do indulge in cheating their publishers in more than one aspect. Better avoid* them. * Personal opinion.
Agree they are not scam, though type of ad they serve are not good quality, majority of them are redirect, malware/adware/virus its completely individual webmaster choice if they want to go with them and yes hundreds and thousands still prefer to use their add and are quite happy with earning, so its individual preference
When a company lie Clicksor pursues apparent illegal "bait and switch" tactics by promising publishers a whopping $5 CPM, but then ignore over 95% of impressions generated, and then don't bother even paying for the less than 5% of impressions they "acknowledge" that company is a scam.
I never heard anyone complaining that they do not count impression, only thing well known about their add is redirect and other short of malware/adware and virus This is something I came to know first time that clicksor count only 5% impression
It is apparent they are not counting all impressions. When I offered to prove the significant discrepancy between our stats and their own stats they did not bother even trying to deny the discrepancy. Clicksor seems to rely on publishers not keeping a record of their own stats.
You obviously don't know how clicksor statistics works. The system show only the ad sold impressions not all the impressions. If you, let's suppose, had traffic from bangladesh and no active advertisers campaigns for that country, that unsold traffic will not show on your dashboard, only in admin statistics.
Trying to tell someone that thinks they know everything - that they don't - usually always fails or ends up in disaster. This right here is the funniest part... Did you really think you were going to make a $5 CPM on clicksor? LOL Really? *shakes head in disbelief* Clearly don't know your law either because if you sign up with a network on a RevShare - it means they aren't promising you anything. As a matter of fact if you join a network thinking you are going to get that much - the only thing you are doing is baiting and switching your self. You can clearly research Clicksor and realize that not once in their company's history have they ever paid out that much (To my knowledge, there might be the few and far between cases where its possible that I dont know of; but my jaw would drop in shock if I heard it). There are no legal grounds to call that a bait and switch unless you have a signed IO which states otherwise which I doubt. Not saying that anyone who uses clicksor is not serious, but anyone who is serious in the industry and really knows their stuff, knows the low quality/stigma related to clicksor. Clicksor is that network for all the sites that don't / can't qualify for anything else. If you have a site which is of quality, and you claim you have experience in the industry, then there is no reason at all why that person would be using clicksor. Its quite laugh-able actually. Not to down anyone who does use clicksor, because it does serve a purpose for the lower quality sites, but if your site is a high quality site (and you talk, and walk around with your nose in the air like you know everything and been in the business for years) but are complaining about clicksor in 2014 - I'm sorry that is absolutely hilarious. Networks don't pay on their publishers stats for a reason. There are things which create discrepancies which are even far outside the realm of the network creating it. Such as load time latencies, blank's / psa's, etc. Networks have to deal with and mitigate these same risks with their advertisers as well. @yanpub Thanks for posting the information on how they do their stats, I wasn't aware of that either. But I also don't use them on any of my personal sites. That does make sense though and looking above it does fall in line with what the rep from clicksor said about frequency (which is the difference in page views and uniques). Not defending clicksor by any means because they do have a bad reputation and history of doing really bad business. I wouldn't call them a complete scam, especially in this case. I would say the person who tricked themselves into actually believing they were going to get $5 CPM's with clicksor; Scammed them-self.
If Clicksor affirms itself as offering $5 CPM they would be legally obligated to honour that offering under U.S. law. Sounds like you are being an apologist for Clicksor scamming publishers.
Wrong. First off I wouldn't use Clicksor for the reasons I mentioned above, and I find it hilarious that not only did you use clicksor but you came here to complain about 40k impressions - being a media consortium thats been in business since the late 90's. Secondly, I'd like to know where they affirm themselves as offering a $5 CPM because if its not on a contract you really don't have any grounds for anything. You were paid on a RevShare which means you weren't guaranteed any rates. Unless you have an active IO for $5 CPM's which I doubt, you really don't have a leg to stand on. Third, if you did the slightest bit of research - slightest - you would know that there is NO ONE out there getting $5 CPM's from Clicksor, if there is - I would be completely floored because I have known of Clicksor for years and did business with them early on - and I know for a fact they are not premium, and $5 CPM's is not even in their universe of business. Oh and held by US Law really? Because they are a US Based company? I havn't looked at them for years but let me show you how easy it is to get your facts straight... 2 mins elapse (types in chrome "clicksor.com" -> clicks company profile) "Clicksor.com Inc is a sister company of YesUp Ecommerce Solutions Inc. YesUp was founded in 1999 and incorporated in 2001 under the name YesUp Ecommerce Solutions Inc. headquartered in Toronto, Canada. YesUp delivers e-commerce solutions to its clients in the areas of high quality design, programming, technical expertise and marketing innovation." See how easy it is to fact check? Maybe you should have done this before using them or before talking. Thats right, you are right, because all international companies operate under US law... and can be held to that... Wrong. Most companies operate under the laws of their local jurisdiction. Let me go on further... http://www.clicksor.com/publishers/rates-and-revenue Pretty sure no where on that page or on that site are there any rates remotely close to $5. So again, I would say Clicksor does not have the best business tactics in the world (quite frankly they suck), but in this case the person who tricked themselves into believing they were going to get a $5 CPM with Clicksor; scammed them-self.
Whatever. Say what you like. In my view, you sound either like an apologists or an apparent PR operative for Clicksor. There are lots of people these days who are being paid by companies to post apparently "neutral" comments in behalf of the commercial interests of companies that seek to pursue public relations "damage control". Webmasters on DP are free to decide of course how much your comments may or may not be consisent with such apparent operatives.
I'm saying facts. Your view is severely misguided as this thread has concluded to show. Considering how much bad stuff I have said about them, Idk how you could think thats possible. But then again you seem to not be living in reality or you are one of those people who always thinks they are right and when you are wrong its a conspiracy. lol
In my view, your belligerence constitutes flaming and is consistent with "internet trolling". Say what you like. I'm not participating in your apparent Kangaroo Court.
Not at all. You posted an issue publicly, I agree with most of your points about Clicksor, but when it comes down to the facts you fail and upon being proved wrong i'm an undercover clicksor employee, now I'm a troll. right. Kangaroo court. lol well if only you put as much effort into researching clicksor as you have put into taking the time to make completely inaccurate statements, and your use of advanced vocabulary. I'm sorry - You make statements, I simply state a few facts and get a nice barrage of reasons why I'm posting against you. A thing called facts + reality, failing to accept either of them constitutes stupidity.
Whatever. I stand by my previous representation. I'm not here to be on the witness stand of your apparent sought "Kangaroo Court".