No different from the attitude of your militant atheist pals...I am just simply imitating them in order to rub the salt deeper into your wounded ego. Here is some more salt for your wound.
Yes, yes...keep up with the ad hominems and running away from the argument ("its OK for them to do it, but not you the Mozlem!" attitude is hillarious). Why not just stick to the topic and state your position clearly, instead of making innuendos that wastes everyone else's time but your own?
You need to revisit your dictionary once again, and figure out the meaning of an ad hom. My comments about your education level, hypocrisy, and flawed argumentation were not in support of an argument. They were simply observations of what your character and your arguments share in common with others of your ilk. Perhaps I did go a bit to far in applying these characteristics to Islamists as a group(I purposefully did not use the word Muslims). I suspect most of them don't push pornography in their spare time. You are an embarrassment to Islamists, and that is really saying something. It should be noted that an adult who decides not to engage in a conversation about particle theory with a 2 year old is not fleeing the conversation, regardless of how much the 2 year old wants to talk about it. There are certain prerequisites to having an intelligent conversation about any given subject and on this subject, you are horribly unqualified. You can't figure out what the map of Kurdistan and the Map of Palestine have in common, which indicates to me you lack the basic skills to have a conversation on this forum, and perhaps in adult company in general.
Let's inject a bit of reality here: Does Atheism call for the murder or subjugation of members of all other religions: No Does Agnosticism call for the murder or subjugation of members of all other religions: No Does Bahá'à Faith call for the murder or subjugation of members of all other religions: No Does Buddhism call for the murder or subjugation of members of all other religions: No Does Christianity call for the murder or subjugation of members of all other religions: No Does Deism call for the murder or subjugation of members of all other religions: No Does Hinduism call for the murder or subjugation of members of all other religions: No Does Islam call for the murder or subjugation of members of all other religions: Yes It seems to me that there is only one religion which consistently advocates genocide. Back when you were posting as Menj, you even admitted openly that under Islam Atheists were lower than rats and had no right to live. Are you going to contradict yourself now?
Stalin is the greatest example of a mass-murdering atheist. Add to that Ho Chi Minh and Pol Pot to the mix. There are many examples of violence in each and every religion/belief system you listed above. Too numerous to list here. So you seem to single out only Islam, out of the whole list of religions/belief systems which do have teachings/people advocating violence. As far as I recall, Mussolini, Hitler, Hirohito, Timothy McVeigh, Tamil Tigers, etc. were not Muslims. So why a different yardstick for the Muslims? If you think that I am my husband, go ahead and submit the evidence. I would really like to see how can you argue that I am someone whom I am not. I have pretty much admitted that he is my husband; I don't have anything to hide regarding that. As for my view of Atheists, my dad was dabbling close to Atheism before he found Islam and married my mother. So I would say that being an Atheist doesn't necessarily mean you will reject the Truth forever. If one is sincere, Islam will eventually come into one's life, regardless of what his/her previous religious belief system was in the past.
Islam singles itself out. You still fail to grasp the key point. Yes, there are violent people of every religion, but only in Islam is the violence against non-Muslims at the core of the religion and promoted by the religion itself, by its leaders, and practiced by a great number of its adherents. The behavior of Muslims for the last 1400 years is the proof.
browntwn - what is your solution to the issue - assuming what you say is correct? I'm just curious to know how you recommend dealing with this specific idea/concern. I have no dog in this fight.
Mussolini, Hitler, Hirohito, Timothy McVeigh, and the Tamil Tigers were all defeated and removed from power or killed. I agree that it would be fair to spank Islam with the same yardstick. Are you ready to support treating all of these by the same yardstick?
There is no "key point" except for you missing the point. The Crusades, Inquisition, et. al. were not started by the Muslims. Many of the violence in the "past 1400 years", as you yourself said, were committed largely by great number of non-Muslims. Its only recently do we hear Islam being associated with violence. We have a lot of that on the record, all of them positive. Thanks to Islam, you are able to bathe with soap (al-sabuun) and have algebra (al-jabbar). Oh yes, the "behaviour of Muslims for the last 1400 years is the proof" that Islam brought civilisation to a barbaric world.
"They wish to extinguish God's Light with their mouths, but God will bring His Light to perfection, even though the disbelievers may detest it." [Qur'an, 9:32]
I am not sure. Religions cause division. To the extent they help people and foster positive social values I have no problem with them like any other group that someone may wish to belong. The problem to me is two-fold. I believe that Islam is hostile to those who chose not to believe in God or Islam. The solution would be for Islam to change. The problem is that if you really believe it is the word of God then you can't change. So, what do you do when the word of God is violent and hateful? That is the internal war for the soul of Islam. Since I do not believe in Allah it is easy for me to tell Muslims to end the practices of Islam that are barbaric or offensive to the modern world. Not so easy for a devout Muslim who is conflicted knowing the rules are wrong but having grown up learning they are ordered by God. It is with no pleasure that I say I think eventually there will be a clash of civilizations between the modern world and Islam simply because something has to give. Islamists want us all to live under their rules. There are a lot of people in this world willing to fight to keep their freedom and liberty.
There is a raging debate on another thread right now regarding the Qur'an promoting wife beating. Like child marriage, I suspect wife beating is something the more educated Muslims will never speak out in favor of. The problem they have is that it is not some Hadith which says beat your wife. It is the Qur'an itself. A few are starting to go down the path of, "Its not to be taken literally", which is what Christians did with every portion of the bible which didn't make sense. I guess I'm saying I agree with your post. The only thing that will bring Islam into the 21st century are Muslims themselves who are willing to change the dogma into something more peaceful, regardless of what the Qur'an actually says.
Thanks to the Chinese, we have gunpowder. Thanks to Henry Ford ( Americans ), cars are mass-produced. What is your point ?
Soap and algebra both predate Islam. The earliest recorded evidence of the production of soap-like materials dates back to around 2800 BC in Ancient Babylon. A formula for soap consisting of water, alkali and cassia oil was written on a Babylonian clay tablet around 2200 BC. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap Diophantus (3rd century AD), sometimes called "the father of algebra", was an Alexandrian Greek mathematician and the author of a series of books called Arithmetica. These texts deal with solving algebraic equations. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebra
But that is not the whole story, is it? AbÅ« Ê¿AbdallÄh Muḥammad ibn MÅ«sÄ al-KhwÄrizmÄ« (Persian/Arabic: أبو عبد الله Ù…Øمد بن موسى الخوارزمي) (c. 780, KhwÄrizm – c. 850) was a Persian mathematician, astronomer and geographer, a scholar in the House of Wisdom in Baghdad. His Kitab al-Jabr wa-l-Muqabala presented the first systematic solution of linear and quadratic equations. He is considered the founder of algebra, a credit he shares with Diophantus. In the twelfth century, Latin translations of his work on the Indian numerals, introduced the decimal positional number system to the Western world. He revised Ptolemy's Geography and wrote on astronomy and astrology. His contributions had a great impact on language. "Algebra" is derived from al-jabr, one of the two operations he used to solve quadratic equations. Algorism and algorithm stem from Algoritmi, the Latin form of his name. His name is the origin of (Spanish) guarismo and of (Portuguese) algarismo, both meaning digit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Mūsā_al-Khwārizmī Each time you use a computer, please do remember that without the algorithmic and algebra calculations from al-Khwarizmi, you will all still be remaining in the Dark Ages of Europe.
Also not telling the whole story. Is posting half-quotes another tactic of yours? Soaps made from vegetable oils (such as olive oil), aromatic oils (such as thyme oil) and lye (al-Soda al-Kawia) were first produced by chemists. From the beginning of the 7th century, soap was produced in Nablus (West Bank), Kufa (Iraq) and Basra (Iraq). Soap was perfumed and colored, some of the soaps were liquid and others were solid. They also had special soap for shaving. It was sold for 3 Dirhams (0.3 Dinars) a piece in 981 AD. The Persian chemist Al-Razi wrote a manuscript on recipes for true soap. A recently discovered manuscript from the 13th century details more recipes for soap making; e.g. take some sesame oil, a sprinkle of potash, alkali and some lime, mix them all together and boil. When cooked, they are poured into molds and left to set, leaving hard soap http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap#Medieval_history Too bad that the Babylonians have no real part in that, eh?
Boring weak arguments to hide the fact that you got caught lying again. Here's some hard data: Between 1980 and 2000, Egyptians registered 77 patents in the U.S. Saudis registered 171. Israelis registered 7,652. Islam demands unreasoning submission to the will of Muhammad. As such it fails to nurture the spirit of open discussion which is necessary for scientific investigation. How tiny is Israel? How do 7M Israeli's create so much more science and innovation than 1.5B Muslims? And how much darker will the world be when those 7M productive human beings are wiped from the face of the Earth because they refuse to bow to your primitive god?
Again with the straw man and ad hominem arguments. I don't know what this has to do with soap and algebra but if you want to play that game, fine. It is a fact that during the era which you Westerners call the "Dark Ages", there was another parallel era called "the Islamic Golden Age". I believe that this is easily searchable in Google. So much for your "[Islam] fails to nurture the spirit of open discussion which is necessary for scientific investigation". You have been consistent in your hate-speech against Islam, but that is all you are good at. There are tons of evidence that runs contrary to your claim. Whether today Israelis produce "better science" (and that is debatable) than the Muslim world today is irrelevant to the topic I am raising now. The Muslim world have done their part in laying out the foundation for the "science" we know and recognise today. Without these contributions, the so-called "Israelis" won't be able to even start on anything. Or for that matter, any other scientist of this era.