dude, it's cool. I'm sure in 'real life' we might grab a brew. I'm new to forums for the most part and well P&R is a tough place to cut your teeth in the discussion of such things for sure...so many different cultures, beliefs and what not. my first reaction is usually the wrong one and so if I was a jerk, sorry! I'm not a "reader" anyway...while it does look interesting what I have read thus far, it is a tough read for sure...I'm more of a Dilbert guy for making me think!!
As I and the majority of the free world study science. Where did I say the entire bible has been disproven? In another few generations... maybe Like I said earlier in just one generation we have not only discovered the power of atom but we have harnessed it's power and in doing so have created a way to destroy ourselves. All that in one leap in scientific discovery. How long do you think the bible's old stories scribed by men of far less knowledge than we have today will stand up to scrutiny? You can feel it crumbling already can't you? The anger in your post reflects your true feelings. It betrays you. You don't respect my position and opinions. You fear them. Now that's what I call changing the subject. What I stated about water is factual and easily proven. Every elementary school age child in the world who's studied the cycle of water and its 3 physical states knows the idea that all that water simply vanished is absurd... The only state in which water can escape earth's atmosphere is gas. But oops... it has to be heated to do that and the upper atmosphere being closer to space is cold. Hence it always returns to earth. There's no scientific babble there for you to mock I'm afraid. It's just plain common sense. I'm sorry that statement is both true and offends you at the same time. lol again I am sorry you are misinformed about your own beliefs. You say you study the bible but from reading your babble I am willing to wager I know more about it than you do, which makes me chuckle inside Why do I say this? Because you don't even understand what faith means. To be "faithful" one must forsake logic (no matter how substantial) and believe in something even in the absense of proof. So you see good sir, faith in it's own definition is inherently blind. Else it is not true faith. So if you need proof to believe then you are not faithful. It's ok though. No need to be ashamed. Religion has been chasing it's tail like this for centuries. You're not the only one to blindly accept it.
I think it's from the scene where Luke and Darth Vader are fighting, Darth says something like, "Your anger betrays you."
And now it manifests as a fresh new thread on DP. But interesting in all this you would pick that out
Also-- GeorgeB-- do you get a decent amount of money from Adsense on your AgnosticForums site? I was just taking a look at that for a little bit a minute ago
fyi, you might consider hitting the 'edit' button instead of making a new post. you might get in trouble otherwise. AGNOSTIC FRONT - good band?
Actually I don't. Even with all those ads and all the traffic it's gotten recently once gaining PR and being listed high for religion related searches I rarely make much money at all from it. It is more a project of passion now than anything. I plan to create premium memberships to help it pay it's way and remove ads for members who donate but other than that I will just allow it to grow. I don't feel bad about that at all since I truly only built it because there was no forum for agnostics out there and the domain was perfect
Anger in my posts???...hahahaha...now that's funny...I hardly get angry and it takes a lot more than your statements to get me there. I respect everyone's comments no matter how rude, arrogant and ignorant they are. Does not necessarily mean I agree with them. I have no fear of anything you say about me or the Bible. What on earth can you possibly do that would cause me to fear?? I understand how the cycle works as well. The thing you are seeming to miss here is that God has complete control over the elements. When he created the earth, does it mean he had to pull the elements from another place? Or, what about the creation of humans? The creation of angels? Nothing is impossible when it comes to God's power. But the way you talk, you will never realise this. Nothing you say will offend me. It might offend God though. You might want to think about that. How would you know if I am informed or misinformed about my beliefs?? That's just silly. Gambling on someone's knowledge of the Bible is just as silly. Stick to the facts mate. Again, you are labeling me here. How? I can't understand. I have plenty of proof for my basis of my faith. You are starting to make me laugh a bit For the third time. You are convinced you know me. But you would not have the first clue about me. Here am I, sitting at a computer and there are you in a similar situation. We are both pouring out words. The only difference is, I am trying to invite people to look into what the Bible really teaches and you are slandering the whole thing. Now, should we be taking a more positive step towards actually resolving some real issues here or should you continue to label me?? Col
I realise this completely actually and I even said so earlier with my statements about how faith works. When believers cannot find a shred of scientific fact to back up their fantastic claims it falls back on "faith". When you are faced with irrefutable fact. Proof that it is phsyically impossible for the floods to have happened it falls to faith. The absolute absense of all logic and reason in order to believe in "God's power". That is the point I've been making repeatedly from the beginning tonight. Never even said there was anythign wrong with it in fact. Just that it is the definition of "blind faith". I put that to you and let you make up your mind on your own what faith is. That's all. You yourself just admitted that knowing all that you know about the 3 states of water and even agreeing with them you still choose to believe in God's Power. If that isn't perfectly clear for you that faith is inherently blind I'm sorry but I cannot think of a way to make it more clear. I shall quote myself from a post back in April http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=2892050&postcount=4 Or for example, the Catholic inquisition
but even if every scientific mind on the planet was able to prove the flood to be true (for instance) would you believe it? or just find another 'yeah but...' my point, however poorly I present it is that I don't need to have everything proved to me without a shadow of a doubt. and you know what? it is fantastic. it's unbeleiveable man! God's power is out of this world. if you think I am a loon well good I wouldn't want it any other way.
Well of course I'd believe the flood could have happened. Too bad your point is just a "what if" though. Now back here in reality.... No I don't think you're a loon any more than I hope you don't think I'm a loon for not believing (Note I don't believe in man's interpretation of religion, not the existance of God. I am agnostic, not an atheist.).
No loon, I respect your right to believe as you see fit. I see, agn vs. ath, noted. see, if I would have read more as a child/early adult instead of reading comics
That post you quoted has nothing to do with what the Bible teaches. You might have me confused with someone who has blind faith Col
Rebecca your question is not directed to me, nor am I a christian, I am Hindu by religion but an agnostic by beliefs. But, there are few things I'd like to say in this context Morals and ethics are not bound to any single religion, anyone can have his/her own definition of morals and ethics. whoever belives in goodness, forgiveness, mercy and love should have high morals and good ethics and this is what religion is all about. PS to GeorgeB: And Religion is nothing to argue, bash or hate about. Its very simple as ABC - If you believe it, you believe it and if you dont, you dont. it seems pretty pointless to me if someone arises a point that something is fictional or wrong in one particular religion or compare it to science. Religions were there even before we invented or understood science. Religions were there to keep people's faith in life, to teach them to love and to get them understand the power of forgiveness. Science at any stage was not capable to do that.
lol.. your question made me laugh. It made me think for awhile. I tend to agree. Sorry to say this guys, but I found it, generally many staunch Christians tend to show some kinda moral authority. They are very self righteous. I didn't say everyone. I said those staunch. Just my experience and opinion.
Now that I know you're Mormon (don't know how I missed it, just skimmed over your posts I guess), I guess you're saying that there is 0% corruption among all Mormons, and also that none of the thousands of millions of "so-called christians" in the world will go to heaven? Just your several million "true christians"? You ever stop to wonder why people view Mormonism as more of a cult than anything else?