Believers always want you to follow the word of God as it is written in the bible. But when you point out flaws in the bible they say it's taken out of context. I can site so many ridiculous and fantastic claims and stories from the bible in FULL CONTEXT that don't make sense it's absurd. Not only do they not make sense but a lot of them are flat out wrong. If you ask me to I'll gladly do so but that would really need to be a whole thread in itself because there's THAT MANY. But here's the bottom line folks the true moral authority is you. Don't let a person, group, or myth define your moral character. That's what life is all about, finding your own way. Be a follower and you end up like all the people who've ever commited mass suicide following a group, ideology, or faith they believed in that turned out to be smoke and mirrors or just plain crazy people. God's existance is unknowable. If it were, we'd know it. The whole basis of faith is supported by the fact that you have to ignore facts right in front of your face in order to be a true believer who's belief is faith based. The term "take it on faith" has been used by conmen, child molesters, evildoers, and false prophets for as long as recorded history remembers. So having a discussion where you combat faith with logic in the end is futile. Interesting and fun, but futile. It's also why most believers end up feeling ridiculed and made fun of instead of seeing plain truths being given to them.
I didn't have to be there.... It's chronicled right there in your bible ... that is... unless you don't even have faith that your own bible has it right? All I'm saying is that there are plenty of instances of what have now been proven by science and general knowledge to be misinformation. Example.... I didn't have to be there for the story of Noah's ark and the great flood. But it's a scientifically proven fact that there is not enough water in the earth's atmosphere to have caused a flood of that magnitude to not only cover the entire earth but to cover it above the highest mountains. Now the only way you can believe in the Noah's ark story is to take it on faith that God magically made it enough water for that event then magically took it away. That's all. You snarkish comment is just more proof that believers feel ridiculed when someone points out that something in the bible just could not have happened. It's amazing to watch, some believers will try to justify misinformation in the bible as somethign science shouldnt be tryign to prove because it can't. While others will try to use science to prove bible stories are factual and could have happened. The duality of religious desperation Which camp do you fall into?
great word! snarkish I'm resorting to Rub3X tactics sorry! The only problem with not believing certain parts of the Bible is then you might as well discount the entire thing which to me would be the same thing as blindness. I thought the Noah thing was still being debated? Who's to say that the atmosphere wasn't radically different back then? I think certain things are left slightly ambiguous...why else then would it be faith? What good is religion if all we have to do is wake up? It would be like if God didn't give us free will, what would be the point then?
Resorting to facts? Theists!? I'd be shocked. Hmm the atmosphere is the least of Noah's story. Like a white family evolving to all the colors we have today. After all evolution was presented by the devil to test your faith. Not to mention stuffing everything on one boat....a boat made by an old man none the less. How about gathering the animals from each continent? JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJOKE.
no, snide comments! how do you know he was "white"? Noah was just the manager of the project, I bet his sons did most of the work.
Ahh so...A white and say black(?) wife...created all of the following races: Whites Indians Blacks Mexicans <insert more here>
Actually, God didn't give us free will. If you really study it deeply, you'll understand. I recommend "The Freedom of The Will" by Jonathan Edwards as a primer to start with (should actually be call "The Freedom of The Will, or The Lack Thereof"). He explains it all in great detail and counters the arguements for free will of the time. He also explains why there is actually more meaning to life without free will. You can read his book online. http://www.ccel.org/ccel/edwards/will.html
Science is to say. It is physically impossible for that much water to simply have vanished from existance. If water just dissappeared from the earth at that rate the earth would have been completely void of water for a few hundred years by now. To further point out the impossibility of what you were "trying" to say there. I ask you. Point out to me just one scientifially proven process for which water vanishes from the earth and is never seen again. "What good is religion if all we have to do is wake up" -- Exactly.
I have faith in my Bible. I read it every day and also study it a LOT. The entire Bible. Not just certain verses. Proven by science my foot. Some scientists have come up with nothing but philosophy. Philosophy is not fact, although it may contain some evidence to view if it is fact or not. There's your scientist talking again. It's impossible huh? Billions thought that Einstein's theory of relativity was scientifically factual...hmmm...now what was that constant that turned out to be a variable again????....hmmmm Ditto for some scientists and other's who jump on their bandwagon. Yes, there is a lot of faith required to view the Bible as God's word. But, it is not a blind faith to some as it is to many. Col
If anyone has seen god lately can you please alert him to this thread, just to clear some things up for us?
1EightT what's your "Godless Reason" for considering as immoral: 1) Beating Children 2) Stoning people to death for heresy, adultery, homosexuality, working on the sabbath, worshipping graven images, practicing sorcery, and a wide variety of other imaginary (?) crimes. 3)Slavery
Nobody has ever seen him, nor has anybody any reason to believe in him. However, I can tell you that Col - your posts are pretty absurd.
who is this Jonathan Edwards? ans why should I care? so he didn't name his book correctly? does it matter then if we do or don't have free will. maybe we're just predestinated and nothing I do now or later will matter? what do you mean exactly? I don't follow
Weren't able to understand the first couple sentances of the book, huh? Maybe you should just try Freedom of The Will for dummies, or for that matter, Philosophy for dummies.
I was going to ask about the Dummies books!! hold on...this guy sounds cool! If I read it 2 or 3 more times it might sink in
I just want everyone to understand that free will is a myth and that it isn't the reason for us to be held moraly responsible. As for belittling you, I appologize. Thought that's what you were trying to do to me, but was uncalled for me to say that anyway. I dunno, I get carried away sometimes. Mainly, I just didn't feel like explaining it all.
It took me a very long time to read, having to reread many of the paragraphs just to get it. It's not just because it's such old style writing, but also because he is very long winded and detailed in his explinations. But that's why I found it so enlightening and challenging.