Christians are so funny..

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by ncz_nate, Dec 24, 2008.

  1. frankcow

    frankcow Well-Known Member

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    #41
    I think you've poorly chosen your hate labels this time. The group I associate with is neither a cult nor is it death-orientated. Better re-think that.

    Ultimately any of us accept or deny as much 'evidence' for truth as we choose too, including yourself. You accept the theory of evolution as truth, as illogical as it is. Ever heard the saying "wisdom is proved righteous by its works"? It means that what you know is shown to be right (or not) by the end result of applying it.

    The end result for you is one who seeks to smash others' beliefs, in a hateful, cynical, proud way. You believe yourself more enlightened than us primitive Christians. You have nothing to look forward to. You shut off any inherent spirituality in yourself.

    The end result for a Christian who lives by scriptural principles and teachings is a very happy, fulfilled individual who seeks to serve and help others. They have a bright future, and problems don't get them down as easily. They can be quite pleasant to be around.

    Regardless of the belief that caused such personality traits, the latter is a much more appealing lifestyle.

    Ahh yes, that makes perfect sense. However, I've never seen anyone use 3 parts of a mousetrap as a tie clip, it's not well-suited for the purpose. Then again, nor have I seen a mouse trap assemble itself from its disparate parts into a function apparatus.

    The components of a cell depend on each other for their vital functions. Are we to understand that the nucleus formed first, and then waited around a few billion years for the other organelles to develop around it?

    Are you seriously using a compilation of a few vastly different skull structures to represent what should be millions of specimens, with slight gradual shifts, and then represented in entire populations for a time before evolving to the next?

    If natural selection is taking our best bits and ensuring they pass on to the next generation and being enhanced, then why is the human race slowly devolving?

    I understand that many think he is mentioned in the bible, but it is a common misunderstanding.
     
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  2. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    #42
    How are we devolving?
     
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  3. stOx

    stOx Notable Member

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    #43
    It functions as a device capable of holding a tie in place though, Does it not? That's the point. It's capable of performing a function without all of it's components besides catching mice.

    In it's present form to do it's current function it does.

    No im using a compilation of transitional forms.. you know, the things you said didn't exist.

    To expect there to be every transition between all species captured in the fossil record is unreasonable and dishonest, and you know it. Fossils don't form easily. But then, how many do we need to prove that transitions do exist? Just the one, And we have a lot more than one.

    It isn't. You have just made it up.
     
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  4. cientificoloco

    cientificoloco Well-Known Member

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    #44
    There are a couple of hypothesis about the origin of the eukaryotic cell and none of them postulate any "waiting for a few billion years". There is plenty to learn about it if you are really interested in that.

    We may not yet know how some of the organelles arose, but we do know how some of them did. We do know how the mitochondria and the chloroplasts originated. We didn't know that 50 years ago but now we do. Isn't that enough to reason that cellular evolution having happened is a feasible possibility? Is it wise to say that some organelles evolved but others were "created" (only because we still don't have a solid explanation)?


    You seem to have a misconception about natural selection. It is not a magic power that identifies "good" things and makes them prosper. Its just the result of differential representation of genetic variants over generations.
    Many selective pressures that would have affected us in the wild are being removed and so many characteristics that would be lethal are not eliminated and stay in the populations. Most of us would not have survived to adult age if we lived in the wild. Genetics and evolutionary biology explains this very well, but I don't see how it can be explained otherwise.
     
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  5. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    #45
    Here's a fun list of biblical contradictions.

    My favorite

     
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    wwws Notable Member

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    #46
    Does it occur to anyone that drugs had existed in those days? (biblical days)
     
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    longhornfreak Well-Known Member

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    #47
    And the importance of that is?
     
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  8. SolutionX

    SolutionX Peon

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    #48
    I'm a Christian and I probably agree with your points more then the Christian guy. Anyone who can't accept that the bible is not the be all end all to what G-d has to give us, well, just haven't probably learned to listen to/experience G-d themselves and are just playing it safe by listening to their pastor, etc and not questioning tradition. For a lot of people, tradition = assurance of salvation.
     
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  9. longhornfreak

    longhornfreak Well-Known Member

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    #49
    Thats because you can't. You use God as an answer for all your problems, your "answers" are generated from yourself and you claim you have "spoken" to God. I've tried it for several years he never said shit to me, now I am atheist. Christians love to be hypocritical. You say you agree with his points, his points disprove existence yet you say you believe in his existence? Tell me where that makes any sense.
     
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  10. SolutionX

    SolutionX Peon

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    #50
    He always catches me off gaurd. I was nearly an athiest a few months ago. I find it helps when you listen more carefully though. Sometimes very specific drugs or even traumatic experiences can help break though layers of resistance and leave you more open to the possibility, then you start noticing things. <- Just my two cents.
     
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  11. longhornfreak

    longhornfreak Well-Known Member

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    #51
    Drugs would help you see a mythological creature ha.
     
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  12. wwws

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    #52
    No importance, but I believe it has a lot to do on with how "parting of the Red Sea", Walking on Water"...etc, and yet! he can't saved himself from the cross...Ok, he died for "our sin" and he is "coming back":rolleyes:

    ... And 600 years later who came back? Muhammad, kinda like a Jesus 3.1 upgrade. From a long-haired hippy bearded Norwegian with blue eyes in the Middle Fn Eastern to a Rag headed that might look like the guy working at 7-11..(assuming he had a rag top).

    Before Christianity, there were Jews and after Jesus went away, came Muhammad, then Hitler, then David Koresh and now we have Obama which according to some Christians, he is the Anti-Christ:eek:...But that is what they said about Ronald Wilson Reagan when he got elected, some believe because he's name have a count of 6's:rolleyes:

    I was raised Christian, but at an early age I knew, something wasn't right about the whole thing and I just played a long ever after.

    I'm cool with good religion that do good things with one another, what bothers me is the bad part that it's members do to one another or with a different beliefs or no beliefs. If there is a God, then he would know my email and he/it/she can contact me that way.

    But I reallly believe those people who wrote the bible/koran were on some good drugs(aka,goodshit).

    Hallucination
    A hallucination, in the broadest sense, is a perception in the absence of a stimulus. In a stricter sense, hallucinations are defined as perceptions in a conscious and awake state in the absence of external stimuli which have qualities of real perception, in that they are vivid, substantial, and located in external objective space. These definitions distinguish hallucinations from the related phenomena of dreaming, which does not involve consciousness; illusion, which involves distorted or misinterpreted real perception; imagery, which does not mimic real perception and is under voluntary control; and pseudohallucination, which does not mimic real perception, but is not under voluntary control.[1] Hallucinations also differ from "delusional perceptions", in which a correctly sensed and interpreted genuine perception is given some additional (and typically bizarre) significance.

    Hallucinations may occur in any sensory modality — visual, auditory, olfactory, gustatory, tactile, proprioceptive, equilibrioceptive, nociceptive, and thermoceptive.

    A mild form of hallucination is known as a disturbance, and can occur in any of the senses above. These may be things like seeing movement in peripheral vision, or hearing faint noises and voices.

    Hypnagogic hallucinations and hypnopompic hallucinations are considered normal phenomena. Hypnagogic hallucinations can occur as one is falling asleep and hypnopompic hallucinations occur when one is waking up. Hallucinations may also be associated with drug or alcohol use (particularly deliriants), sleep deprivation, psychosis, neurological disorders, and delirium tremens.

     
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  13. longhornfreak

    longhornfreak Well-Known Member

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    #53
    Haha i get your drift, but after reading this, are you on some "goodshit" aha. 3.1 upgrade? is that real aha

    Lol and Obama being the anti-christ c'mon.

    Also I was raised the same way brought up christian but not pushed enough to where i was brain washed when I became old enough to put the puzzle together I realized what was right.
     
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    SolutionX Peon

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    #54
    So which is reality and which is the hallucination? And why? There are still tons of chemicals flooding your brain when you're not on drugs or in a crisis, they're just different chemicals -- the kind that numb your mind and keep you relaxed and rational. So if the chemicals are making you rational, then is it real rationality? Shouldn't we all actually be shitting our pants at the meer fact we're all gonna die one day? But those natural brain chemicals just make us shrug it off.
     
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    #55
    No, I'm clean and sober:D

    Seriously, I still go to church for shit and giggles and there is this "paranoia" among some preachers telling that Jesus is soon to come, offcourse they have been saying this for centuries now:rolleyes:

    But almost everyone of them actually believe that Obama is the Anti-Christ, I think I saw it on Newsweek magazine.

    But when you search...you'll find many...

    According to The Book of Revelations the anti-Christ is:

    The anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal.... the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything.

    How could they know back then what a Muslim is when it hasn't existed for another 600 years:rolleyes: Religion love to put FEAR in people to gain memberships.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zle7BUUigc
    http://www.google.com/search?q=obam...ent-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS302US302&aq=t
     
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  16. pingpong123

    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #56
    Hey guysss, my leaves fell down upon the earth and magically transformed into a horse then the horse spoke to me, and he said " i am here because as atheists say anything is possible by random chance". Guys im in total amazement. Stox was right the universe can come into existence by random chance.
     
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    #57
    Look how dishonest the religious are. Lying for jesus, How "christian".

    I guess when you can't honestly refute what someone has said the only thing left is to lie about what they say and then refute you own fabrications. Shame you feel compelled to do it at the expense of your own integrity.
     
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    #58
    Even Christians don't consider exaggeration for effect as lying. You are getting a little too fundamentalist maybe? Try to blame that one on another religion besides your own.
     
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    #59
    pingpong is being deliberately deceitful and he knows it. He has made similar posts before despite being told that nobody believes anything of the sort.
     
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    #60
    lol and I suppose you were next to Steve Jobs at the time?

    All HAIL WOZNIAK THE CREATOR OF THIS WORLD!
     
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